Co-Ed Co-sleeping?

[Earthmama]

Both of my kids are cuddlers & co-sleepers. I've thought about the possibility of them sharing a room/bed as they grow. Maybe until DS is 9 or so.

But after that I'm thinking to separate them.



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I had a male friend who admitted to me that at age 10 or 11 he had anal intercourse with his twin sis in their shared bed. He feels guilty & traumatized because he thinks he took advantage of her. (I guess she did say no at one point, but didn't try to stop him, from what I understand.)

Firstly, isn't sexual experimentation like this generally unheard of in twins & siblings who co-sleep? Or is it part of normal curiosity to be curious about the bodies around you, too, and it's just a child who wasn't taught proper respect & boundaries?

And seccondly, at what age does co-ed co-sleeping become inappropriate? Or does it?

[jessiehannan]

I co slept with some my male cousins until I got married. Not single thing ever happened, but it wasn't an everyday thing, except for about 2 months before I moved in with my DH.
Right now my two oldest co sleep, and it is coed. The moment one of the kids get uncomfortable with sharing a bed, it ends.

[3girls2luv]

I have heard of this too. My cousins did this and it went on for awhile apparently the parents never found out. My cousin told me about it when she was 12 and I was 10 but I was too scared of her to say anything. I have not seem them in a long time so I don't know if it has affected them. I can not give you any advice on this except that you are the mom and you know your children so it is your judgement.

[Nipple_nectar]

I think providing the opportunity for sexual curiousity to overwhelm an inexperienced child is the first mistake.

I wouldn't let them sleep together. One of my only sibling placements with foster care was a four year old boy and an eight year old girl. We were made to separate them in different rooms and this caused a great deal of anxiety. I felt really bad for them but knowing what I know about casual experimentation turning into abuse, it just isn't worth the risk to me.

[lolabear]

I worked with a family who brought their 2 kids, a boy age 5 and a girl age 4 into our office for a psychological eval b/c they have found them numerous times doing sexually inappropriate things to each other, and they did not even share a room. We had to call childline on them and actually having co-ed kids sleep in the same room after a certain age isnt allowed in some states. if you have a boy and a girl you have to have a bedroom for each of them.

[Justicedog]

I worked with a family who brought their 2 kids, a boy age 5 and a girl age 4 into our office for a psychological eval b/c they have found them numerous times doing sexually inappropriate things to each other, and they did not even share a room. We had to call childline on them and actually having co-ed kids sleep in the same room after a certain age isnt allowed in some states. if you have a boy and a girl you have to have a bedroom for each of them.


You're speaking of foster care placements, true? I would be suprised if they can regulate how many bedrooms an individual family has.

[Sputterduck]

You're speaking of foster care placements, true? I would be suprised if they can regulate how many bedrooms an individual family has.


This

[lolabear]

This is for all families and there is no way to regulate it, but if someone calls CPS on you they will take your kids away

[leosmommy]

How would your STBXH feel about this. Would he try to use it against you in a court battle? Just a thought.

[trylyn5]

I worked with a family who brought their 2 kids, a boy age 5 and a girl age 4 into our office for a psychological eval b/c they have found them numerous times doing sexually inappropriate things to each other, and they did not even share a room. We had to call childline on them and actually having co-ed kids sleep in the same room after a certain age isnt allowed in some states. if you have a boy and a girl you have to have a bedroom for each of them.


At this age, I would think there were inappropriate things the children were being exposed to. Things might not be actively being done to to them but being exposed to porn at that age can cause inappropriate acting out.

I shared a room with my brother til I was 8 and we still have to share a bed on family vacations when I was 13. Talk about traumatic! ;) I put pillows down the center and was actually really mean to him (he was 10) to show my displeasure.

I don't think there's anything wrong with them sharing a room/be but I think till your ds is 9 might be a little long. I also think if you start seeing ANY resistance, it's time for a change.

[trylyn5]

This is for all families and there is no way to regulate it, but if someone calls CPS on you they will take your kids away


They'd take you kids away for being to poor to afford a home with enough bedrooms?

[Tweet]

Huh, I really hadn't thought about that before. I would not be surprised that experimentation could occur at some point and it would concern me that it could likely turn into abuse, as NN said.

I know of dds that were caught showing private areas to each other and the parents were very watchful but didn't freak out and told them both that while it is normal to be curious , private areas are just for themselves and not for anyone else

[melissab]

This is for all families and there is no way to regulate it, but if someone calls CPS on you they will take your kids away

No they can't. My DD's father called DSS on me and my DH last summer with one of the complaints being that DD shared a room with DS and my other DD. The social worker who came didn't even care, he was more concerned with how messy the room was. When I was done freaking out and started to ask questions the only way they would have taken my kids away from me was if they found abuse and neglect.

[lolabear]

i know the law varies from state, but i know a girl who had all four kids taken away b/c she had them sleeping all together in the same room, this was just this past summer. she called our office cursing us out b/c she thought we called them on her, when it actually was her best friend

[Wolverine]

I think providing the opportunity for sexual curiousity to overwhelm an inexperienced child is the first mistake.

I wouldn't let them sleep together. One of my only sibling placements with foster care was a four year old boy and an eight year old girl. We were made to separate them in different rooms and this caused a great deal of anxiety. I felt really bad for them but knowing what I know about casual experimentation turning into abuse, it just isn't worth the risk to me.

But, same sex co-sleeping is okay? I'm genuinely confused. There is nothing stopping two little boys from having anal sex. I don't understand why or how this is any different because there was a girl involved.

[lolabear]

They'd take you kids away for being to poor to afford a home with enough bedrooms?

people on section 8 if they have kids of different gender are given a place big enough to have separate rooms. again, every state is different in laws and practices.

[jessiehannan]

people on section 8 if they have kids of different gender are given a place big enough to have separate rooms. again, every state is different in laws and practices.
Not here they aren't. The only limit is on how many people can share one room, which is two.

[Sputterduck]

No they can't. My DD's father called DSS on me and my DH last summer with one of the complaints being that DD shared a room with DS and my other DD. The social worker who came didn't even care, he was more concerned with how messy the room was. When I was done freaking out and started to ask questions the only way they would have taken my kids away from me was if they found abuse and neglect.


God forbid children have messy rooms. lol

[lolabear]

it all depends where you live

[jessiehannan]

it all depends where you live
and what state do you live in?

[lolabear]

PA

[Sputterduck]

can you link the law behind that?

[lolabear]

i dont have a link for it b/c i do not look up state laws and regulations on the internet i work with kids in the BHRS system and we have to know these kinds of things when situations come up with kids & families so we know what to do to cover our ass b/c if we know and dont report it, we get in trouble

[jessiehannan]

what is the BHRS system? I am just curious.

[Sputterduck]

What is BHRS?

[lolabear]

Behavioral Health Rehabilitation System

[jessiehannan]

Oh, down here we call it MHMR. Now, is that true only for clients who have behavioral health problems? Or every one?

[lolabear]

in pa the MHMR system is a completely different thing. We deal with a lot of different types of people, from very mild things to severe. Parents will bring a kid in for an evaluation over any little thing so its not only behavior problems but it is a state funded program.

[jessiehannan]

ahhh. It is all lumped together here.

[lolabear]

I really dont know why it separate, but there are somethings we can do that they cant and vice versa. it can be a pain tho to have to go between services for some people but most people usually just need one or the other

[LivingLoveandLogic]

At the moment all three of my dc's share a room. Ds is 9, dd1 is 6 and dd2 is 3.3 years old. Ds & dd1 have shared a room since she was 3. They have a bunk bed that is dbl. on the bottom and single on the top. Initially, the co-slept on the bottom (crosswise) until ds felt he was ready for the top bunk. Now, he's on the top bunk and dd's share the bottom. Some nights I find them all together on the bottom, like puppies. We are shifting things around and renovating a room for ds to have to himself. But not because of decency issues, more because of spacial needs. It will be nicer/easier for ds to have space for his interests and activities away from a busy 3 year old who knocks things over and takes things apart.

[Sputterduck]

I'm sorry I can't believe that's criminal enough to take someone's children away, in any state.

[jessiehannan]

I'm sorry I can't believe that's criminal enough to take someone's children away, in any state. Me either.

[Teresa64]

Ok. I have 2 boys and we rent our home. Currently we were lucky enough to find a 3 bedroom house to rent...but around here it is damn near impossible to find a 3 or 4 bedroom for a decent price. And our 3rd bedroom is TINY barely enough room for a crib and small dresser. No way a twin bed could ever fit in there.
If CPS had to inforce a law like that...they would have a lot of children with no homes.

I know to qualify for housing assistance siblings of the same gender cannot share a bedroom...but I know we don't have laws that say siblings can't share a room. Crazy.

[xobehs]

I'm sorry I can't believe that's criminal enough to take someone's children away, in any state.

I agree. I do not believe for a second THAT was the [only] reason they were removed.

[trylyn5]

You don't have to be low income enough to qualify for housing to be low income enough not to be able to afford housing large enough for children of different genders to have separate rooms. I also don't think that could be the only reason for the state to take your kids.

[lolabear]

yes it is, its called inadequate housing for your children

[jessiehannan]

Do they take homeless peoples' kids away too? Instead of helping them have "adequate" shelter? That is ridiculous. At the Salvation Army homeless shelter here, the whole family shares one room, I know because I lived there. Moms and Dads, dads and daughters, brothers and sisters.

[Teresa64]

yes it is, its called inadequate housing for your children

They call it that...I call the law bullshit.

[lolabear]

yeah but a shelter isnt made to be a permanent living arrangement, its a temporary thing to give you a chance to find a place to live.

[jessiehannan]

What is considered temporary? Some of the people had lived there for almost a year and couldn't get help with housing, and some for longer than that.

[Teresa64]

I can't believe they get away with that. Here....everyother household would loose their kids for that reason.

Sorry I think if they are that worried about kids becoming curious it would make just as much sense to require that the kids are locked in their rooms at night.

How hard is it to sneak down the hall???

[jessiehannan]

I can't believe they get away with that. Here....everyother household would loose their kids for that reason.

Sorry I think if they are that worried about kids becoming curious it would make just as much sense to require that the kids are locked in their rooms at night.

How hard is it to sneak down the hall???
I know, or out a window, then back in another?

[Teresa64]

Maybe we should be required to send our kids to boarding schools so that they never see the other gender until they are of age.

[jessiehannan]

Chastity belts, blinders and stays any one?

[trylyn5]

yes it is, its called inadequate housing for your children


I still think that the only way they could get away with using that as a reason to take away your kids is if they suspect something else is going on.

[Teresa64]

If the government is going to control how many bedrooms a family has to have then maybe they should provide better housing opportunities because there is a shortage and there always have been.

If I heard the term "inadequate housing for children" I would assume the family was living in their car. Or their house was infested with mold or bugs and totally unlivable. Not once would I ever EVER critize someone for not having a 3rd bedroom. Crap.

[xobehs]

Maybe we should be required to send our kids to boarding schools so that they never see the other gender until they are of age.


I went to boarding school and spent many nights star gazing with my boyfriend all night long. No, WE weren't having sex but plenty were/ There was TONS of security to keep us in at night but a lot of kids still managed to 'cruise"

[Tweet]

That's just so fucking weird. I remember when DH's job sent us to AZ for 6 months..they put us up in a very, very nice furnished apartment, but it was only 2 bedrooms. The rooms were huge, though. I was pg with dd2 and dd1 and ds shared a room. She was 3 and had a queen size bed and he was 20 months and had a crib on the other side of the room.

EI came out to evaluate him because of delays. The two woman exchanged this weird look when I said that they shared a room. They wanted to see it, too. And then they kept asking questions about it. It was very weird. They never mentioned anything about a law , though. I was so surprised that anyone would think that was a big deal. Our family had always co slept and sometimes we still do and they are now 6,4, and 2.

[Babyblue]

I live in pa and have seen enough cps bullshit to know that you are not going to have your kids taken away for haveing the same sex in the same room. 5 boys and 5 girls crammed in one bed as teenagers, that would be sketchy, but no haveing a few kids in the same room is not take away worthy.

[Bohemian]

My brother and I shared a room until I was 15 and he was 12. We had no choice as there were only 2 bedrooms. We didn't dress in front of one another after a certain age and usually dressed in the bathroom. We always had separate twin beds or bunk beds and nothing ever happened. We also took baths together up until I was 9-10 and he 6-7 and nothing bad happended from that either.

If I had a choice I think once kids hit puberty they need their privacy and if at all possible separate rooms. I wouldn't do this because I'd be worried they'd experiment but more because of comfort and because I feel kids need a space to call their own. If I had to, I'd put up a wall partition and split the room in half but sometimes you really have to just make do and it turns out all right.

[Earthmama]

http://www.metrokc.gov/dias/ocre/children.htm "–Housing providers cannot require that children of opposite sexes use separate bedrooms, even in Section 8 or other HUD funded housing."

[Teresa64]

http://www.metrokc.gov/dias/ocre/children.htm "–Housing providers cannot require that children of opposite sexes use separate bedrooms, even in Section 8 or other HUD funded housing."

Yea I figured.

[lolabear]

that is from a site from accross the country from where I am ... every state is allowed to set their own laws and limits for their state funded programs

[Teresa64]

Prove it. Seriously. I cannot see how a law like that can even be constitutional.

[Sputterduck]

Prove it. Seriously. I cannot see how a law like that can even be constitutional.


I seriously do not believe that a law like that exists. Maybe I have too much faith in the government?

[Teresa64]

I seriously do not believe that a law like that exists. Maybe I have too much faith in the government?

Maybe that is what is wrong with the system. Too many kids in foster care. Mom and dad are abusive because they can't provide enough bedrooms for their children...lol

[lolabear]

I do not make the laws nor do I agree with all of them but all I know is what we have to report. We have a 500 page binder of things that we have to report. A lot of them are pretty stupid IMO ... the fact that it is 500 pages should show that there are too many restrictions that have to be followed

[Sputterduck]

What other stupid ones do you have to report?

[RaisingThemLeft]

In CA I know that you cannot have foster kids of opposite genders sharing a room and you cannot put more than 2 kids in a bedroom either. You can do both of those things with your own children, however.

[Babyblue]

there is no law in pa, or if in some far obsecure and obselete place there is, it is NEVER inforced unless there are other problems going on in the home.

if you think different, prove it.

[TayNRobbiesMom]

Just wanted to chime in. DH has 2 DCs from the first marriage.

2 summers ago someone called CPS saying that we were hurting them (which we were not )

at the time, we had DSS (4yrs) DSD(3) & my DD in the same room, upon inspection NOTHING was said about the arrangements, other then "each child has their own bed, correct?" and they did, one bunkbed set and a crib.

[dewoman81]

I am from PA
For what it is worth... the family I was babysitting for is a blended family. 2 girls from the mom and 1boy and 1girl from the dad. CPS was called on them and they had to put the boy in basically a closet upstairs so he was in his own room.

My brother who is dealing with a lawyer for his daughter says that since he is male and she is female, they can NEVER share a room. Whether or not it is law, the courts look poorly about it. She sleeps with him every night from about 2am till morning.

[dewoman81]

I sent my friend an IM. She works for Life Steps which is the mental heath agency related to CPS. I asked her the PA question about coed sleeping. Ill get back to you with a response.

[dewoman81]

She got back to me fast:
"hey...i think it depends on the situation...some would say as long as all of the kids have a bed then its fine but i have had others made families rearrange rooms so the brother and sister were not in teh same room"
"i think that the older the kids get the less appropriate it is for that to happen"

For what its worth.

[lolabear]

firstly when the children are toddlers its completely different, toddlers are not normally sexually curious. and i did not make the rules so why i am being attacked for answering a question is beyond me.

[Babyblue]

because you are stating something as fact when it is not

[amynhailey]

I'm having a hard time finding the law for my state, but I will keep looking. I licensed and regulated foster care homes and case managed the children in the foster homes for a few years. As far as the law goes, foster families are not allowed to allow children of the opposite sex in the same bedroom and each same-gender child sharing a room has to have his/her own bed except that two brothers or two sisters under the age of 12 can share a double bed. There was a minimum square footage per child per bedroom. Children could not share with a bedroom with an adult. The adult was also required to have their own bedroom.

Families who were working toward reunification with their children were held to these same standards. They were required to find what the county defined as "adequate housing" for their family size and make-up.

I doubt that there would be any way to enforce these rules amongst the general population. There is almost always another reason that a family comes to the attention of the Dept of Human Services. They will, however, note sleeping arrangements that they define as being "inadequate" in the record and it will be mentioned in court.

That said... I would not allow my opposite sex children to cosleep once they reach a certain age. My oldest is only 4 right now, and I have no idea at what age I would feel uncomfortable with it... probably elementary school aged. Sharing a room would be okay, if necessary, but the same bed just doesn't make me feel okay. That's just my opinion.

[Sputterduck]

I get that CPS has required that. But where is it in the law?

CPS isn't governed well and workers often don't follow the law.

[lolabear]

i simply stated this is how it is done where i work and what i am told. i think you all just like to jump all over people for thinking something different than you do

[Sputterduck]

i simply stated this is how it is done where i work and what i am told. i think you all just like to jump all over people for thinking something different than you do


This is a debate board.

[lolabear]

yes a debate about the issue not to attack other people.

you cant think you know everything b/c you know how to use google. i work for a state funded agency so we have to follow state rules and then i get called bullshit b/c you dont agree with the laws. call the senator or governer if you dont like the laws. youre coming at me like i made the laws

[Sputterduck]

yes a debate about the issue not to attack other people.

you cant think you know everything b/c you know how to use google. i work for a state funded agency so we have to follow state rules and then i get called bullshit b/c you dont agree with the laws. call the senator or governer if you dont like the laws. youre coming at me like i made the laws


Can you quote where someone attacked you?

We debate here. The vast majority of us do not attack people.

[Meredith]

I don't know about co-ed sleeping arrangements, but I do know that there are basic occupancy laws regarding apartment rental. When I got pregnant with DS1, we were living in a one bedroom apartment. I notified the management, and, according to them, we didn't have to account for a child until he was 1 year old. Then, we would have to move to a two bedroom, which we did before he was born.

I'm pretty sure CPS wouldn't get involved around here, unless there were signs of abuse.

[lolabear]

well i guess its just only okay to state you opinion, not any actual facts b/c no one that stated thier opinion was questioned on what they said. i must be full of shit if i state facts

[Sputterduck]

lolabear, if you post something that shocks or horrifies people, it's okay if they say how they feel about it. That isn't personal against you.

If people ask for a law in your state, when you talk about that law, that is not an attack against you.

Relax, we are good people here.

[Sputterduck]

well i guess its just only okay to state you opinion, not any actual facts b/c no one that stated thier opinion was questioned on what they said. i must be full of shit if i state facts


If you want to state facts here, back them up.

It is generally expected that you back your facts up on a debate board.
That goes for everyone, not just you.

[Teresa64]

Ok. So I know that the rulees for foster care are going to be different. Obviously it is the states responsiblilty to try to protect these children as much as possible.
I am sure their are a lot of laws regulating foster care.
But you are saying there are laws saying that children cannot share a room. CPS may prefer they don't. CPS may have you flag a family if you know this happens. Especially with children who have emotional problems. But it is not the law. There is a difference. And no we are not attacking you. I am curious to see some proof of what you ssay because I don't believe it.

[alejorge]

My friend had her kids taken away because her ex-s/o was abusive towards her and she wouldn't press charges against him. She was to scared to. Well when she was pregnnat with her 4th child she finaly left him. She stayed with me for a while and then she moved in with a really nice man. She went to all of her court dates and did everything they told her to do.

She did all the parenting classes and got a job and a place to live. Her man even had a job. They lived in a really nice apartment. When the CPS people came to inspect her apartment they said it wasn't big enough. The lady said she needed a room for each child of opposite sex. So basicaly a 3 bedroom which they couldn't afford.

Needless to say she didn't get her kids back adn the state put them up for adoption. Then when she had her baby she stayed everyday with the baby in the hospital and had a nursery all set up for the baby and when they were discharging her CPS showed up and took the baby from her and put that one up for adoption also.

She never got any of her kids back and she doesn't talk to anyone anymore. She just can't handle it. She see's everyone with kids and she can't have hers.

[Sputterduck]

My friend had her kids taken away because her ex-s/o was abusive towards her and she wouldn't press charges against him. She was to scared to. Well when she was pregnnat with her 4th child she finaly left him. She stayed with me for a while and then she moved in with a really nice man. She went to all of her court dates and did everything they told her to do.

She did all the parenting classes and got a job and a place to live. Her man even had a job. They lived in a really nice apartment. When the CPS people came to inspect her apartment they said it wasn't big enough. The lady said she needed a room for each child of opposite sex. So basicaly a 3 bedroom which they couldn't afford.

Needless to say she didn't get her kids back adn the state put them up for adoption. Then when she had her baby she stayed everyday with the baby in the hospital and had a nursery all set up for the baby and when they were discharging her CPS showed up and took the baby from her and put that one up for adoption also.

She never got any of her kids back and she doesn't talk to anyone anymore. She just can't handle it. She see's everyone with kids and she can't have hers.

It that was the only reason she lost her kids, she needs to call a good lawyer and every news station she can find.

[Sputterduck]

Have her call these people.

http://www.pacificjustice.org/

The president is a very very good man.

They step in on a lot of cases where CPS has crossed legal lines.

[alejorge]

Her case worker didn't like her and we think that is the reason why she didn't get her kids back. He case worker purposely kept losing all of her paper work and she had to repeat classes and what not a few times.

[Sputterduck]

Seriously have her call PJI.

There is no system to check that CPS is doing it's job correctly. Because of that bad things happen.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

yes it is, its called inadequate housing for your children

In our four bedroom house my dd and oldest ds (ages 9 and 7, respectively) often choose to sleep in the same bed. Recently ds1 has instead been sleeping with ds2, who will be 5 next week.

Although sometimes ds2 and dd sleep in the same bed.

Or there are any number of combinations, the only constant being the baby and I sticking together.

I give my kids a lot of say over what they feel comfortable with. I don't tell them to put clothes on if they wish to not wear them (nor do I encourage them to take clothing off). I don't interfere when the boys want to share a nightly bubble bath.

Does incest exist? Of course. Does expirementation happen? Sure. Do I assume that children raised in 'normal', non-abusive situations would engage in incestuous behavior? No.

[Teresa64]

Honestly I would have to say that you couldn't have known the whole story. CPS will do anything they can to keep a family together.
You hear all the time how druggies end up with their kids back and taken away repeatedly. I bet there was more to that story then she let on. My opinion anyway.

[alejorge]

I don't even know how to find her or get ahold of her anymore. SHe secluded herself from everyone and moved and changed her phone number. I wouldn't even begin to know where to look for her.

[Teresa64]

Or her case worker was an incompetant jackass. That could happen too.

[Sputterduck]

In fact, when I was looking into volunteering for PJI, the lady who answered the phone was a grandma of a baby who was taken away because he wasn't growing well.

The doctor called CPS because he said he *had* to even though he did not think the parents were doing anything wrong. Some professionals are afraid to not call because they want to cover their butt legally.

He even told CPS that he thought it wasn't the parents.

While in foster care the baby was diagnosed with a condition that stunts growth. CPS still did not give the baby back.

PJI got it's lawyers involved and got the baby back. Grandma that I spoke to was so grateful that she now volunteers with them full time.

[Sputterduck]

Honestly I would have to say that you couldn't have known the whole story. CPS will do anything they can to keep a family together.
You hear all the time how druggies end up with their kids back and taken away repeatedly. I bet there was more to that story then she let on. My opinion anyway.


It depends on the case worker. Some are good and some are bad.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

Not once would I ever EVER critize someone for not having a 3rd bedroom. Crap.

I agree. Americans are ridiculous in their idea of how much living space is necessary. Mind, I don't care if you wish to have--and can afford to have--a 3,000 square foot house for a family of four. But in most areas of the world our homes are considered to be enormous wastes of energy.

I'm not talking about sharing a shack with your fifteen siblings and a flock of chickens or anything, but two or three children sharing a room does not abuse make.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

I do not make the laws nor do I agree with all of them but all I know is what we have to report. We have a 500 page binder of things that we have to report. A lot of them are pretty stupid IMO ... the fact that it is 500 pages should show that there are too many restrictions that have to be followed

What an awful waste of government resources.

[Sputterduck]

Our homes here are enormous.

In many countries families all sleep in the same room. Who cares? There is nothing wrong with that. Most of human history was like that. Does that mean our great-great-great grandparents and everyone who came before them were abused?

I am embarrassed to be American when it comes to the excess that we think is minimum necessity.

[Teresa64]

It depends on the case worker. Some are good and some are bad.

I hear you there. I didn't even think about the fact that the caseworker loosing paperword or other bullshit like that. No judge is going to return someones children to someone if he/she doesn't think they have done everything they were supposed to do. Situations like that are horrible!!!

[Sputterduck]

I hear you there. I didn't even think about the fact that the caseworker loosing paperword or other bullshit like that. No judge is going to return someones children to someone if he/she doesn't think they have done everything they were supposed to do. Situations like that are horrible!!!


Imagine the trauma to the children. So sad.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

But you are saying there are laws saying that children cannot share a room. CPS may prefer they don't.

Exactly. And, barring evidence of abuse, parents legally have the right to tell CPS to butt out.

[Teresa64]

Our homes here are enormous.

In many countries families all sleep in the same room. Who cares? There is nothing wrong with that. Most of human history was like that. Does that mean our great-great-great grandparents and everyone who came before them were abused?

I am embarrassed to be American when it comes to the excess that we think is minimum necessity.

I grew up in a family of 5 kids. I never had my own room. My parent both grew up in families of 9 kids each. They never had their own room either. I doubt they even had beds. I know they grew up poor. There is nothing wrong with a family living close. Families are supposed to be close. THats kinda why we have them....

[Sputterduck]

My grandma grew up in a family of 16 kids, who grew up picking cotton. They were poor and I doubt they had rooms for everyone. They grew up into beautiful people.

[amynhailey]

We have a four-bedroom home. Last night, my DD said, "I wish this room (my room) was big enough to fit all our beds in it". I told her she would probably still be sleeping in my bed, so let's just leave all the beds where they are to keep the other rooms from getting lonely. :-P

[Sputterduck]

I was just looking through my great aunt Pearl's memoirs to see if she mentions sleeping arrangements and I found this and thought it was cute. lol

"One year I got a pretty ball, white with stars and red and blue stripes around the middle, Gladys and I had gone to the toilet. I was sitting with the door open and she was outside throwing me the ball. It just so happened there was a nail that the ball hit and punctured it. Or course, the ball was no good. Daddy was in bed and asked about the ball and I started crying afraid to tell him we busted the ball. I don’t know why we were so afraid of him. He never hit me in his life, and I don’t remember his whipping the others, except when J.T. set the cotton on fire."

Gladys is my nana. :D"thheart"

[Teresa64]

We have a four-bedroom home. Last night, my DD said, "I wish this room (my room) was big enough to fit all our beds in it". I told her she would probably still be sleeping in my bed, so let's just leave all the beds where they are to keep the other rooms from getting lonely. :-P


Uh oh. Call CPS Abuse alert....

Sorry I had to say that. :-P

[Sputterduck]

This is the only thing she mentions.

"The only room that was heated was the living room, that was also where daddy slept. So our bedroom would be so cold, we would all put 5 or 6 quilts on a bed and all the girls would sleep together and the boys would do the same. We had 3 beds in that room."

But she is talking about Christmas, so I don't know if that was the normal arrangement.

[xobehs]

Our homes here are enormous.

In many countries families all sleep in the same room. Who cares? There is nothing wrong with that. Most of human history was like that. Does that mean our great-great-great grandparents and everyone who came before them were abused?

I am embarrassed to be American when it comes to the excess that we think is minimum necessity.

Well said!!!

[Teresa64]

It is very commen for siblings to sleep together. When my ds's cousins come over they ALWAYS sleep all in the same bed. Even though one of the is a girl.
My best-friend growing up was a boy. We had sleepovers all the time until we were in like 3rd or 4th grade. (then he had better things to do then hangingout with a gIRL)

[Sputterduck]

It is very commen for siblings to sleep together. When my ds's cousins come over they ALWAYS sleep all in the same bed. Even though one of the is a girl.
My best-friend growing up was a boy. We had sleepovers all the time until we were in like 3rd or 4th grade. (then he had better things to do then hangingout with a gIRL)


My best neighborhood friends were two brothers and we spent the night at each other's homes all the time. One of them did expose himself once. I spent the night in his brother's room that night. I had wanted to forget that! That's the only thing that ever happened though.

[Teresa64]

My best neighborhood friends were two brothers and we spent the night at each other's homes all the time. One of them did expose himself once. I spent the night in his brother's room that night. I had wanted to forget that! That's the only thing that ever happened though.


Oh man that reminds me. He was the first boy I ever "frenchkissed" we were like 5. We both stuck our tongues our as far as we could and we touched....

lol

I had totally forgotten about that...

[Camille]

This is for all families and there is no way to regulate it, but if someone calls CPS on you they will take your kids away

Oh, bullfuckingshit!



What is fucking wrong with this country? We've now sexualized SLEEPING?!?! AND boobs! I'm fucking moving to Europe. I can't take anymore of this ridiculous crap. It's because we were founded by religious zealots trying to escape "persecution", isn't it? Ugh.


How is it inappropriate to sleep in the same area as a member of the opposite sex, really? I mean, we all shit in the same toilet, right? Is that wrong,too? I know dh and ds's balls probably hang down in that same area, even if at different times. We should probably build a second toilet for vaginas only, eh?





Why is spellcheck trying to say that there's no plural for vagina?

[Sputterduck]

I like your response Camille. Europe is tempting. This country is bothering me more and more.

[frannie]

DS and DD sleep in the same bed, they are 9 and 7. No matter how many time times I tell them to sleep in thier own rooms they always end up in one or the others bed, they just dont like to be alone.

Back before I met DH me and the kids shared a king size bed, so they are just very used to having someone next to them.

They are getting bigger and I dont think they will fit on a twin much longer. This morning DD told DS not to sleep in her bed any more because he hogs it up. LOL

I checked on them and there they are cuddle up together:p

[Teresa64]

She can't prove there is a law against this.

[xobehs]

We've been down this road before here.

[ControlFreak]

I live in PA as well and I can vouch for lolabear that, at least for section 8 housing, you are required to have separate bedrooms for different gender children. A good friend of mine applied for section 8 and was told the waiting list was pretty long because she would need 3 bedrooms (she has 2 girls and 1 boy). She was also told that same sex siblings are not allowed to share a room (at least for section 8). I doubt it would be enough for CPS to get involved and remove the children though.

Unfortunately, I cannot find a link to back me up, this is just from personal experience. I'll keep looking though :)

[Teresa64]

I live in PA as well and I can vouch for lolabear that, at least for section 8 housing, you are required to have separate bedrooms for different gender children. A good friend of mine applied for section 8 and was told the waiting list was pretty long because she would need 3 bedrooms (she has 2 girls and 1 boy). She was also told that same sex siblings are not allowed to share a room (at least for section 8). I doubt it would be enough for CPS to get involved and remove the children though.

Unfortunately, I cannot find a link to back me up, this is just from personal experience. I'll keep looking though :)


The same is for here as well. For state or gov. funded housing assistance I can see. Sure. If the state wants to regulate what they pay for no big deal.

But for a family who is not asking the gov. to help them pay for housing there is no way that there is a law stating that it is illegal for siblings to share a bedroom.

[Bohemian]

If there are really laws like this then it's ridiculous. Just another instance of government sticking their nose where is doesn't belong and wasting taxpayer's money. As I said before I shared a room with my brother till I was 15 and nothing bad happened. We even had to share a bed when we spent the night with grandparents and we did that up until I was 13.

[nicurn]

In CA, it is considered housing discrimination for a renter to set requirements on the gender of children allowed to sleep in a room, section 8 or not. I googled it yesterday and forgot to post the link, but it was in the Fair Housing Handbook.

[Ilovemonkeys]

I think this thread is strange. Not letting kids share rooms or beds b/c they *might* sexually abuse one another? Wtf? They don't need to share a room or a bed to play doctor or to sexually abuse one another.

My kids have had all sorts of random sleeping arrangements over the years and i'm more worried about one of the kids peeing in the bed or kicking their feet in another kids face.

[Sunnie]

This is for all families and there is no way to regulate it, but if someone calls CPS on you they will take your kids away

oh bull shit

[Ilovemonkeys]

oh bull shit
ITA!

[xobehs]

oh bull shit


It's so much stronger of a sentiment when it is spelled out vs writing bs

[Sunnie]

My friend had her kids taken away because her ex-s/o was abusive towards her and she wouldn't press charges against him. She was to scared to. Well when she was pregnnat with her 4th child she finaly left him. She stayed with me for a while and then she moved in with a really nice man. She went to all of her court dates and did everything they told her to do.

She did all the parenting classes and got a job and a place to live. Her man even had a job. They lived in a really nice apartment. When the CPS people came to inspect her apartment they said it wasn't big enough. The lady said she needed a room for each child of opposite sex. So basicaly a 3 bedroom which they couldn't afford.

Needless to say she didn't get her kids back adn the state put them up for adoption. Then when she had her baby she stayed everyday with the baby in the hospital and had a nursery all set up for the baby and when they were discharging her CPS showed up and took the baby from her and put that one up for adoption also.

She never got any of her kids back and she doesn't talk to anyone anymore. She just can't handle it. She see's everyone with kids and she can't have hers.


There has to be more to that story.

[Sunnie]

I think lolabear is full of shit. there's no way she's require to call CPS on your average family that has opposite sex kids sharing rooms. no fucking way

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

nak

if she is i feel a lot better about my big brother paranoia

[xobehs]

I was a mandated reporter for YEARS. Never once was I told I should contact CPS for such an issue.

[nicurn]

May a housing provider enforce a policy directing who may or may not
share a bedroom?

March 2004 • Fair Housing Hotline Project• Chapter I - 12
Probably not. Efforts by a housing provider to segregate within a dwelling
may violate fair housing laws. For example, a federal court in New York found
illegal a policy prohibiting one adult and one child in one bedroom and one
adult and three children in two bedrooms.

34 Policies that do not permit children of the opposite sex to share a bedroom may also violate fair housing laws.

Fair Housing in California (http://www.lsnc.net/housing/fh_manual/fh_manual_all_2004.pdf)

[pawprint]

My two boys have bunks but often wind up together on the bottom. I imagine it's lonely up there for ds1 sometimes. Since I haven't the slightest idea if they will grow up to be heterosexual or not- would anyone dare suggest I not let them sleep together either? FFS.

[trylyn5]

nak

if she is i feel a lot better about my big brother paranoia


Seriously, mine's growing my the minute.

[Earthmama]

My two boys have bunks but often wind up together on the bottom. I imagine it's lonely up there for ds1 sometimes. Since I haven't the slightest idea if they will grow up to be heterosexual or not- would anyone dare suggest I not let them sleep together either? FFS.


good point

[Born_a_Diva]

I know I'm late as hell but I never really thought about this....

My sister has a 14yo ds and her 7yo ds decided he wanted to share bunks with the oldest. Well, their little 4yo princess decided she wanted in on it so she sleeps in the queen-size bed in the same room. My sister is always talking to them about boundaries, etc.... I think it would be very unlikely for boundaries to be crossed!

[lolabear]

I live in PA as well and I can vouch for lolabear that, at least for section 8 housing, you are required to have separate bedrooms for different gender children. A good friend of mine applied for section 8 and was told the waiting list was pretty long because she would need 3 bedrooms (she has 2 girls and 1 boy). She was also told that same sex siblings are not allowed to share a room (at least for section 8). I doubt it would be enough for CPS to get involved and remove the children though.

Unfortunately, I cannot find a link to back me up, this is just from personal experience. I'll keep looking though :)

did you EVER think that the laws might never reach a lot people?

I really did not come up with all these laws for the shit of it. but if you would like to be a lawyer and learn the entire law i entice you!

I mean really ... so many of you say outright I am full of shit. i dont go by google, i go by #1 personal experience or #2 clinical knowledge.

i wish i could know what im talking about from google. but WOW i have ACTUAL education! amazing!

[lolabear]

and honestly with all the homosexuality in the television i dont want my family shown that

[nicurn]

did you EVER think that the laws might never reach a lot people?

I really did not come up with all these laws for the shit of it. but if you would like to be a lawyer and learn the entire law i entice you!


I don't know if you saw my post, but I was quoting and linking the California Housing Authority. I would imagine that the Housing Authority in your state would have a similarly helpful site.

[Wolverine]

and honestly with all the homosexuality in the television i dont want my family shown that

Huh?

[Teresa64]

did you EVER think that the laws might never reach a lot people?

I really did not come up with all these laws for the shit of it. but if you would like to be a lawyer and learn the entire law i entice you!

I mean really ... so many of you say outright I am full of shit. i dont go by google, i go by #1 personal experience or #2 clinical knowledge.

i wish i could know what im talking about from google. but WOW i have ACTUAL education! amazing!

The problem with your statements is that you refuse to back them up.

I have thought long and hard on this. Here is my conclusion.

You work with kids with emotion problems? Yes? Counseling or what not.
Ok so this book with laws as you call it...is it maybe just a book on guidelines?

I ccould see calling CPS on a family whose child is emotionally distressed with no apparent reason and apparentely they share a room with a sibling of another gender??

Do some checking. I reallly find it hard to believe that there is an acual law. But maybe guidelines for counselors.



Ok and whats up with the homo comment? I don't even get where that comes in to play.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

and honestly with all the homosexuality in the television i dont want my family shown that


I just vomitted in my mouth a little.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

Lolabear, my friends, is a perfect example of why I encourage all parents to know their rights. Whether or not you're a homeschooler, a homebirther, a nonvaxxer, a vegetarian, an extended breastfeeder, or any other breed of abnormal there are going to be uneducated people in authority who swear that what you are doing is against the law.

I had a CPS caseworker try to tell me that it was against the law to allow my 3 year old (at the time) to walk around outside, on our property in the country, naked. She was totally full of shit and had no clue what she was talking about, but she would have pressed the issue to make my family abide by what she thought was nonoffensive.

After all, Lolabear doesn't want same-sex siblings to sleep in the same bed, what with all those fags on television.

[MiMi_of_4]

Heh, my son is gay and while he always had his own room, sometimes he *gasp* crawled into bed with his sister...hell, maybe if he'd had a brother to sleep with he would have been straight ~ or wait, THAT is what would have made him gay?

Shit, now I'm totally confuzzled ~

[jessiehannan]

Heh, my son is gay and while he always had his own room, sometimes he *gasp* crawled into bed with his sister...hell, maybe if he'd had a brother to sleep with he would have been straight ~ or wait, THAT is what would have made him gay?

Shit, now I'm totally confuzzled ~

I'm confuzzled too.

[Teresa64]

God it is amazing how smart "educated" people are.

[MiMi_of_4]

God it is amazing how smart "educated" people are.

No shit, Sherlock. I'm pretty damn educated (two bachelor's degrees), and I certainly wouldn't tout myself as being an authority on anything...well, except cooking, that is :hugegrin:

[Babyblue]

well I had no idea that lolabear would turn this thread into this mess, but apparently she has.

moron.

there someone is actually attacking you.

[Teresa64]

Oh yes Mimi. From what I have seen you are defintely an authority on that. But you tend to PROVE it on a daily basis.

The only problem is one day your house is going to be invaded by hungrey bf's!!!!!

[jessiehannan]

Oh yes Mimi. From what I have seen you are defintely an authority on that. But you tend to PROVE it on a daily basis.

The only problem is one day your house is going to be invaded by hungrey bf's!!!!!
Or we will kidnap her and set up a bfing commune where MiMi feeds every one.

[Teresa64]

Or we will kidnap her and set up a bfing commune where MiMi feeds every one.


hmmm....thats an idea.

[MiMi_of_4]

LOL, T64 and jessie! Come on over and I'll feed everyone who wants to come. I do have three empty bedrooms, but BEWARE ~ you all still might have to let your kids of opposite sex sleep together!

[jessiehannan]

Just as long as they aren't sleeping in the bed with me, I am fine. :)

[SingingMom]

Policies vary regionally. The LAW, however, had BETTER not start regulating who sleeps where. How utterly, unbelievably silly.

As Sasha says, our expectations in this country are blown so way out of proportion it's ridiculous. Everyone in our household shares a bedroom and nobody seems to be suffering.

In our county in CA, even foster kids are allowed to share bedrooms with kids of the opposite gender as long as all the kids involved are young; under three is the standard. I have even met social workers who didn't have a problem with cosleeping. But I've met many more who do have a problem with it.

However, AFAIK, the LAW does not have anything to say about who sleeps where in a home not involved with CPS.

I'd encourage children to sleep separately by nine or ten. But the bigger issue is that I want my children to be able to enforce their own boundaries, whether with siblings, cousins, friends, whatever. If my DD "let" somebody experiment with her, and then that kid felt guilty, well, hell, that whole situation is nuts. A girl should certainly have a sense of being able to tell a brother to get lost, stop touching me. My kids certainly seem to be able to handle this during the day.

And we talk pretty openly about what sexual boundaries are and what maintaining the boundaries does for the kids.

For me, the bigger issue is, why are we so bent (as a culture) on forcing kids to sleep by themselves? What is that supposed to do for them?

We just got back from a visit with my step-MIL, who insisted on showing my kids some Bedknobs and Broomsticks videos, to "prove they're not scary". She told me this AFTER showing the kids the videos. The stories told were all about monsters under the bed, and encouraged the kids to find ways to "scare the nightmares right back".

My kids had never heard of a monster under the bed.

So last night, my 7 y.o. DS shows up around 1 AM and tells me he's scared. Okay, so I make room for him. But thanks, MIL! This is WHY we cosleep, and why we skip the stories you think are so great! And if my kid tells you he thinks something is scary, please respect his judgment instead of showing him he's wrong. Grrrrr.

I love MIL, but she also spent time telling me not to worry about my 19 month old baby's toe walking, it's probably not a problem. And does my oldest DD have seizures? Oh, she's probably fine then. And you know what I do with difficult children, dear? No, step-MIL, nor do I need to know, I don't HAVE difficult children.

Sorry, off-topic vent.

[Teresa64]

LOL, T64 and jessie! Come on over and I'll feed everyone who wants to come. I do have three empty bedrooms, but BEWARE ~ you all still might have to let your kids of opposite sex sleep together!

*gasp*

Oh no!!!!!! We couldn't do that. That would be evil.

We will have to set up a "girl" room and a "boy" room. Wouldn't want to offend anyone or turn my boys straight or something.

[jessiehannan]

*gasp*

Oh no!!!!!! We couldn't do that. That would be evil.

We will have to set up a "girl" room and a "boy" room. Wouldn't want to offend anyone or turn my boys straight or something.
But that would mean that you and your DH and me and my DH would have to share a bed! GASP! What would they think of that!

[Teresa64]

But that would mean that you and your DH and me and my DH would have to share a bed! GASP! What would they think of that!


Nah...we will make the guys sleep on the floor. I like having my bed space.

[melissab]

did you EVER think that the laws might never reach a lot people?

I really did not come up with all these laws for the shit of it. but if you would like to be a lawyer and learn the entire law i entice you!

I mean really ... so many of you say outright I am full of shit. i dont go by google, i go by #1 personal experience or #2 clinical knowledge.

i wish i could know what im talking about from google. but WOW i have ACTUAL education! amazing!

I live in Mass. I will go by my own awful experience and know that they don't take children away for sharing a room. Last summer I had an 8yr old girl, 5yr old boy and 3yr old girl in a room. They have their own beds.

[MiMi_of_4]

On a more serious note, until dgs #2 was born, our two oldest grandkids always had their own rooms here. When dgs#2 started staying with us, he either slept with us or with his sister (and still does). She is seven and he is three.

BUT, up until the last year, when when we took them to a hotel with only one extra bed, dgs#1 and dgd#2 slept together. When dgs#1 turned nine, *I* was more comfortable with them not sleeping together ~ but it has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than my my *own* comfort level. I don't judge others' sleeping arrangements for their kids ~ whatever works for them is okay by me.

As an aside, the other day I started to take off dgd#1's shirt, so she could change clothes. One of dd's daycare children (boy ~ k'garten) was in the room, and dd shook her head at me. I was a little surprised, because I didn't think for a moment that would be anything but okay, but it bothered her (maybe because he's daycare?). I didn't get a chance to ask her about it, but that's the only reason I can think of.

And Sasha, we lived in the country when I was a kid and we ran around "half nekkid" for years without anyone thinking (or saying) a damn thing about it.

[Teresa64]

I think for the most part kids can show us their own comfort level. And most will. My ds1 still has no problem popping it out in front of anybody...sometimes not so good...but my dn she is 5 too has grown a little shy about dressing or undressing around the boys.

[jessiehannan]

Maybe I am just a weirdo, but I enjoy watching my children run around naked in the green grass and sunshine, because they enjoy it so much. Right now I couldn't get DD1 out of DS's bed if I wanted to. I am thinking about putting them in one room, and using the other one for a sewing room.

[Indigo]

i know the law varies from state, but i know a girl who had all four kids taken away b/c she had them sleeping all together in the same room, this was just this past summer. she called our office cursing us out b/c she thought we called them on her, when it actually was her best friend

There is more to this story. If her best friend called it's really likely there was some actually concerning things going on.

I don't think that there is any reason to treat co-sleeping as a taboo or an issue, I would say go with the cues of the kids, like with nudity, when they start to feel uncomfy or ask for their own space then give it.

[MiMi_of_4]

There is more to this story. If her best friend called it's really likely there was some actually concerning things going on.

I don't think that there is any reason to treat co-sleeping as a taboo or an issue, I would say go with the cues of the kids, like with nudity, when they start to feel uncomfy or ask for their own space then give it.

I agree, Indigo! Well said ~

[Sunnie]

lolabear, you are such a fucking asshole.


*disclaimer, I've been drinking tonight*

[Earthmama]

So would anyone be uncomfortable with the boy in the OP when he had grown to adulthood. Is that event considered predatory in any way?

He's an old friend/bf of mine whom I am reluctant to even say hi to because I'm afraid of the potential for predatory behavior - though I never would have suspected him of such - but I'm leery about everyone now that I have kids.

He was always very sweet and submissive - never creepy.

Could I be distancing a good person for irrational fears?

[VegasLactivist]

Purposely not commenting on Lolabear here...

My kids have coslept since birth. They are too big to be with mom and dad anymore, and so, they elect to co-sleep with each other. They are 11 and 6. Every house we have ever lived in they have always had their own private bedrooms, and beds. They CHOOSE to be together.

When we moved into this new house a couple months ago, I said, "OK guys, each to your own rooms." That lasted 2 weeks. They slept like CRAP, Grace was night waking constantly and I'd find her in with Thomas. Thomas finally said, "Mom, we really miss each other, can we please just cosleep?"

They both have their own room, and if they choose to split up, they are welcome to.

[Sputterduck]

did you EVER think that the laws might never reach a lot people?

I really did not come up with all these laws for the shit of it. but if you would like to be a lawyer and learn the entire law i entice you!

I mean really ... so many of you say outright I am full of shit. i dont go by google, i go by #1 personal experience or #2 clinical knowledge.

i wish i could know what im talking about from google. but WOW i have ACTUAL education! amazing!

lolabear, seriously, it does not take a genius to research laws. You are not too stupid to do it yourself.

Personal experience and clinical knowledge do not mean that you know the law.

Knowing the law and knowing how to find it, as any good citizen should be able to do, means knowing the law.

[The_Market]

and honestly with all the homosexuality in the television i dont want my family shown that
WHAT?!

[Bohemian]

I was a mandated reporter for YEARS. Never once was I told I should contact CPS for such an issue.

Ditto that.

and honestly with all the homosexuality in the television i dont want my family shown that

Nice. What will you do if one of your children ends up being gay?

[dalurker]

I was surprised to learn recently that a friend of mine who generally seems to be pretty liberal ditched her cable completely and has all but eliminated television her in house because of a commercial that showed two women kissing during the period of time generally considered family hour. I mean, I get someone wanting to shield their kids from sexual content, but I was surprised that her outrage was over the fact that it was two women kissing and not the fact that it was general sexual content. I guess I view it from the perspective of a kid whose parents were equal opportunity haters who hated sexual content of any kind. Well, except for the Hee Haw Honeys with their breasts about to burst out of their tight low cut dresses, but that was different. They sang gospel while they jiggled.

Maybe it's a topic for another thread. What was this one about again?

[Teresa64]

I was surprised to learn recently that a friend of mine who generally seems to be pretty liberal ditched her cable completely and has all but eliminated television her in house because of a commercial that showed two women kissing during the period of time generally considered family hour. I mean, I get someone wanting to shield their kids from sexual content, but I was surprised that her outrage was over the fact that it was two women kissing and not the fact that it was general sexual content. I guess I view it from the perspective of a kid whose parents were equal opportunity haters who hated sexual content of any kind. Well, except for the Hee Haw Honeys with their breasts about to burst out of their tight low cut dresses, but that was different. They sang gospel while they jiggled.

Maybe it's a topic for another thread. What was this one about again?

We were going no where with this thread anyway. Certain people like to make comments without having the balls to back them up with facts.

[trylyn5]

So would anyone be uncomfortable with the boy in the OP when he had grown to adulthood. Is that event considered predatory in any way?

He's an old friend/bf of mine whom I am reluctant to even say hi to because I'm afraid of the potential for predatory behavior - though I never would have suspected him of such - but I'm leery about everyone now that I have kids.

He was always very sweet and submissive - never creepy.

Could I be distancing a good person for irrational fears?


honestly, I'd be leary. It's the non creepy ones who always offer to watch your kids and are the height of respectability you've gotta watch out for.

I at least wouldn't leave my kids with him

[pawprint]

lolabear, you are such a fucking asshole.


*disclaimer, I've been drinking tonight*


ICAM.

*disclaimer, I have not been drinking at all.*

[pawprint]

Christ I had no idea seeing homosexuality on tv could cause the gay to spread. Thank goodness I have lolabears *personal experience and *clinical knowledge to steer me in the right direction. Now what shall I do with those pesky lesbian parents of my sons' friend? And damn, DH needs to find a new job because his mentor teacher is gay, and it might rub off on him- then I'd be really screwed! Come to think of it one of my vets is gay. Although my kids rarely go there and the cats are castrated so maybe that's safe enough.

[Sputterduck]

honestly, I'd be leary. It's the non creepy ones who always offer to watch your kids and are the height of respectability you've gotta watch out for.

I at least wouldn't leave my kids with him


Unless you are north of Fresno. I looked at the pics of the sex offenders here and they are all Very creepy looking. Creepy like the sex offender stereotype. Creepy like you would take your child away in a moment if the person is around.

[Earthmama]

Oh - I was on the Megans Law site yesterday and there is of course always a man who has a santa claus beard on there!

[Sputterduck]

And they are almost always guys. In fact, there were zero women around here. Why is that?

[Earthmama]

That is a spin off.

[Sunnie]

And they are almost always guys. In fact, there were zero women around here. Why is that?


There are actually more women sex offenders than anyone realizes. The problem is they are very rarely identified.

[The_Market]

And damn, DH needs to find a new job because his mentor teacher is gay, and it might rub off on him- then I'd be really screwed!
Um, actually, the problem is that you wouldn't.

[pawprint]

Um, actually, the problem is that you wouldn't.


:roflol

Excellent point.

[Earthmama]

lol!

[Camille]

Ditto that.



Nice. What will you do if one of your children ends up being gay?

She will pray the gay away. Duh!


:rolleyes:

[LabRat4430]

I might be restating something but I was looking thru the front pages and. . yes there is a law (in some states) about children of different genders not being allowed to share a room.

[pawprint]

Feel free to post one, eh?

[Sputterduck]

I might be restating something but I was looking thru the front pages and. . yes there is a law (in some states) about children of different genders not being allowed to share a room.


Link us the law.

[LabRat4430]

find it your damn self you undereducated! I f-ing know it's a fact!
but oh boy did ya'll jump up to say it wasn't before you looked into it
I didn't look it up on line I just move around alot
maybe ya'll could stand to crawl out from under your GD rock every now or atleast take the word of someone who does

[pawprint]

find it your damn self you undereducated! I f-ing know it's a fact!
but oh boy did ya'll jump up to say it wasn't before you looked into it
I didn't look it up on line I just move around alot
maybe ya'll could stand to crawl out from under your GD rock every now or atleast take the word of someone who does


:roflol

[pawprint]

Oh, LabRat I'd venture that one too many tests have been run on you.

[LabRat4430]

you know sweetie; you and that horse you rode in on can take a long walk off your end of the stick.


You know that phrase It's better to be quiet and be thought of a fool than to open your mouth and remove any doubt. . . you opened your mouth in a hurry, like before you looked into it at all

[pawprint]

If what you say is true perhaps you can substantiate that.

Sweetie. Snort.

[LabRat4430]

you've got another thing comming if you think I've got to justify FACT to you.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW YOU FIND IT YOURSELF
I wouldn't jump thru hoops for the likes of you, you don't even know how to ask nicely

[CatSoup]

you've got another thing comming if you think I've got to justify FACT to you.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW YOU FIND IT YOURSELF
I would jump thru hoops for the likes of you, you don't even know how to ask nicely

Err...they DID ask nicely. You're kind of a nut job huh?

[pawprint]

I am not sure why you think I have some personal investment in this. I have same sex children. I am just baffled by the fact that we have to prove you are right. And since no one else of your belief has been able to provide any evidence of such laws, it certainly looks unlikely.

[LabRat4430]

no they jumped some girls ASS for not knowing where to find this fact. I don't know either but they've got no right to bitch at someone stating a fact.

and yeah nut jobs and crazy don't hurt my feelings how about ya'll try to win an argument with logic one day

[Teresa64]

no they jumped some girls ASS for not knowing where to find this fact. I don't know either but they've got no right to bitch at someone stating a fact.

and yeah nut jobs and crazy don't hurt my feelings how about ya'll try to win an argument with logic one day

You think maybe she is gay now?
I mean if TV can turn someone gay...going up someones ass has to do something.

[Babyhellfire]

I might be restating something but I was looking thru the front pages and. . yes there is a law (in some states) about children of different genders not being allowed to share a room.
-yes,if they are foster children , over a certain age, was the best anyone could find.I think the rest is a case by case basis.

I don't know why you are getting offended over this.
I think they mostly "jumped the girls ass" for her odd random homophobic comment that followed her rant about what she incorrectly stated as a if it was a universal rule.

[pawprint]

It is infinitely more likely that one could prove something existed (like a law against same sex co-sleeping) than it is to prove something does NOT exist.

[pawprint]

I think they mostly "jumped the girls ass" for her odd random homophobic comment that followed her rant about what she incorrectly stated as a if it was a universal rule. Indeed.

[LabRat4430]

I really don't care who said it or what she said after it, it is a law.


The law applies to more than fostercare. Navy members are assigned three bedroom housing when they have children of different genders.

[Babyhellfire]

Why do the worst examples of my poor grammar/punctuation always end up quoted?

[Bohemian]

Labrat, you're overreacting. You are on a debate board and you seriously think people are just going to take your word for it during a debate? Quit acting like a little baby and if you have something substantial to add to back up your point of view then do it. In other words put up or shut up. If claim something is true then it's up to you to prove, not anybody else.

[pawprint]

That's the Navy. Not the state.

[LabRat4430]

Just another example of trying to win an argument with emotion. I know how to manipulate this board now. As I'm sure the first girl did when she purposely pissed everyone off with that homo comment. You're such great adults for falling for it, i'm so out of line for being surprised

[Babyhellfire]

I really don't care who said it or what she said after it, it is a law.


The law applies to more than fostercare. Navy members are assigned three bedroom housing when they have children of different genders.

Housing (base,sec8 apt) laws-rules- are different than child protection laws.

So far, no one has been able to find a law that it is illegal, in any state,for sibling of opposite gender to share a room. Not saying you(or anyone) are an outright liar,just that we cannot find proof of such a law.

[Bohemian]

I'm not pissed or upset. You flying off the handle for no reason and acting like an idiot is more amusing than anything.

[pawprint]

I'm impressed. Anyone else? Going once, going twice...

[LabRat4430]

The navy does it to suit the state. It changes depending on what state the person is deployed to. The only reason they do it is because a CPS call could coast their members the job.
I go to the family health meeting this weekend I'll be sure to ask the superiors about this, I'm sure they'll be able to get me paper work. but as of right now I don't have any info for you

[pawprint]

I'm not pissed either. I am highly amused.

[Teresa64]

Labrat, you're overreacting. You are on a debate board and you seriously think people are just going to take your word for it during a debate? Quit acting like a little baby and if you have something substantial to add to back up your point of view then do it. In other words put up or shut up. If claim something is true then it's up to you to prove, not anybody else.

This.

And because I am so fucking immature...or whatever...
Labrat you are a jackass.
No one would just jump all over someone for no reason. Lola was the one that said that children of different gender cannot legally share a room.
No one else heard of it. I don't see anyone being out of line by asking for proof of some kind.

[Teresa64]

I didn't read your last post before I wrote that.

If you can find some sort of proof cool. I have done searches and so far come up with squat.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

you've got another thing comming if you think I've got to justify FACT to you.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW YOU FIND IT YOURSELF
I wouldn't jump thru hoops for the likes of you, you don't even know how to ask nicely

Um, in a debate one does have to present the facts supporting their viewpoint.

[Babyhellfire]

The navy does it to suit the state. It changes depending on what state the person is deployed to. The only reason they do it is because a CPS call could coast their members the job.
I go to the family health meeting this weekend I'll be sure to ask the superiors about this, I'm sure they'll be able to get me paper work. but as of right now I don't have any info for you

again. Those are housing laws.State Housing laws for base apt and section 8 , so far- have been the only laws anyone here has been able to find about children sharing a room.
Those housing laws are NOT the same as Child protection laws and do not apply to home owners-unless the housing is deemed insufficient -which would be a lot more than two kids sharing a room,
.
At least as far as I can gather from this thread

[LabRat4430]

hey the question was about co sleeping
I'm saying I KNOW FOR A FACT IT IS ILLIGAL in some states. WTF are the rest of you offering in this conversation but a bunch of insults?


no that's ok teresa you can call me a jack ass I have my opinions too.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

What states? If you know for a fact it shouldn't be hard to list those states.

And I'm not emotional. I'm more gassy than anything.

[LabRat4430]

Va In

[LabRat4430]

DC

[LabRat4430]

I'm not sure about MA but I can make a call in the morning

[LabRat4430]

with a little time I can get PA info too

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

DC isn't a state. Indiana does not have this law.

[Teresa64]

This is so stupid. A 21 page thread about someone who claims that something is a fact but can't prove it. Nice.

I'm done.

[LabRat4430]

I went to school to be a cpa in IN if that's not a law I am surprised

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

Well, I live in Indiana and it's not a law. :shrug: In general this state isn't a fan of overreaching laws telling people what to do with their kids. But I thought that you knew these things for a fact, not just "I stopped in that state once on my way to Disney World and I'm surprised they wouldn't have these laws."

[LabRat4430]

yeah you might be right about IN. I think that's where I met a woman with ten kids in a one bedroom house. She had the kids taken away but I don't think it's because of the lack of bedrooms. Still, I haven't been there in about 6 years. I'd have no idea the laws there now.

[Bohemian]

I went to school to be a cpa in IN if that's not a law I am surprised


I thought you just said it was fact? I think your just making shit up because you "think" it should be illegal.

I'm done too. Amazing Race 14 is on and it's one of my favorite shows. Besides that did you know it's illegal in my state not to watch the first episode? :gig:

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

We're not talking about a lack of bedrooms on this thread. We're talking about the legality of siblings sleeping in the same bed by choice of the siblings.

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

Yeah, I'm done too. Forensic Files is on. I've seen this one but I'll impress dh by knowing how to find the killer.

[LabRat4430]

no i'm pretty sure I studied that in IN. It doesn't mean we only studied IN state law. but you know bitch believe what you want to you're the one gets to stay stupid :P

[Sashahomeschoolmama]

Hardy har. I'm so stupid I know the law.

[pawprint]

What the hell does being a cpa have to do with co-sleeping?

[LabRat4430]

that wasn't directed at you sasha. my bad

[LabRat4430]

What the hell does being a cpa have to do with co-sleeping?


yeah, that's enough stupid for me
night

[Sadalsuud]

I'm pretty sure you didn't get very far in your studies with your poor grammar. Even if you did get through your classes, it is hard to take anyone seriously when they have such an aversion to punctuation.

[Babyblue]

I live in pa and I know for a fact that there is no law, cps and the military are two separate entities that can make their own SUGESTIONS about housing, but no, non foster care siblings that choose to sleep in the same room is not grounds for taking away the children.

its not a fact until you prove it.

and you cant prove jack shit.

haha.

ha.

[CatSoup]

Hardy har. I'm so stupid I know the law.

"rollbaby"
I was looking for the rotfl but I saw this and had to use it.

[Teresa64]

I live in pa and I know for a fact that there is no law, cps and the military are two separate entities that can make their own SUGESTIONS about housing, but no, non foster care siblings that choose to sleep in the same room is not grounds for taking away the children.

its not a fact until you prove it.

and you cant prove jack shit.

haha.

ha.

I had to come back for this.:gig:

[Bohemian]

Commercial break

I'm stupid because you don't have any proof for the shit you're pulling out of your ass? :roflol

I just looked up several of the states you've mentioned and there are no such laws. Yet there is quite a bit of information on things that are illegal. It must be a conspiracy right? All those states just made a mistake and forgot to list that "law"

The only one looking stupid in this debate is you.

[Earthmama]

the only thing I can figure out is she might mean "Child Protection Agent" instead of "Certified Public Accountant"

There's lots of things those letters could stand for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPA and more

[Babyblue]

Oh yes and you want my proof, I called a friend that works with cps on a daily basis, there is no law in pa, only suggestions, and the children cant be taken from the home unless there is other compelling evidence that the children are in danger of being abused or neglected.

Haha.

Dumbass.

[Teresa64]

Or maybe she doesn't know what she is. She obviously doesnn't know what she is talking about.

[pawprint]

Maybe the dumbass meant communist party of Australia? rolf

Or perhaps she doesn't choose to acknowledge the common usage of said abbreviation..

[pawprint]

I'm pretty sure you didn't get very far in your studies with your poor grammar. Even if you did get through your classes, it is hard to take anyone seriously when they have such an aversion to punctuation.


Or grammar. Or proofreading. Perhaps she was accredited by some diploma mill.

[pawprint]

Or maybe she doesn't know what she is. She obviously doesn't know what she is talking about.


Indeed. (Again.)

[pawprint]

LabRat- you've been a member for several months and yet have so few posts. Why pick a topic you clearly have no accurate insight on to post drivel on now?

[pawprint]

You know I actually did a stint in animal research once and I own two rats. So far as I can tell they are both more intelligent that you. For instance- they seem to have a grip on reality- even from the perspective of a pet rat.

[pawprint]

Have some serial posting!

[Teresa64]

I think we scared her off...

[Sputterduck]

This made my night. I am laughing so hard.

Welcome to the debate board Labrat!

It might go better for ya on this board if you learn to, you know, back up your "facts". This is a debate board...

[Meredith]

Have some serial posting!

ROFL. I thought I walked into The Paw Show. :D

[Teresa64]

Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
DOMESTIC RELATIONS (TITLE 23)
ABUSE OF FAMILY
CHAPTER 63 - CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES
Saved from Suspension. Pennsylvania Rule of Civil Procedure No. 1915.24, as amended March 30, 1994, provided that Chapter 63 shall not be deemed suspended or affected by Rules 1915.1 through 1915.18 relating to actions for custody, partial custody and visitation of minor children.

SUBCHAPTER A - PRELIMINARY PROVISIONS
§ 6301. Short title of chapter.
§ 6302. Findings and purpose of chapter.
§ 6303. Definitions.

SUBCHAPTER B. PROVISIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR REPORTING SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE
SUBCHAPTER C. POWERS AND DUTIES OF DEPARTMENT
SUBCHAPTER C.1. STUDENTS IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS
SUBCHAPTER C.2. BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN SCHOOLS
SUBCHAPTER D. ORGANIZATION AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICE
SUBCHAPTER E. MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
§ 6301. Short title of chapter.
This chapter shall be known and may be cited as the Child Protective Services Law.

§ 6302. Findings and purpose of chapter.
(a) Findings.--Abused children are in urgent need of an effective child protective service to prevent them from suffering further injury and impairment.

(b) Purpose.--It is the purpose of this chapter to encourage more complete reporting of suspected child abuse; to the extent permitted by this chapter, to involve law enforcement agencies in responding to child abuse; and to establish in each county protective services for the purpose of investigating the reports swiftly and competently, providing protection for children from further abuse and providing rehabilitative services for children and parents involved so as to ensure the child's well-being and to preserve, stabilize and protect the integrity of family life wherever appropriate. It is also the purpose of this chapter to ensure that each county children and youth agency establish a program of protective services with procedures to assess risk of harm to a child and with the capabilities to respond adequately to meet the needs of the family and child who may be at risk and to prioritize the response and services to children most at risk.

(c) Effect on rights of parents.--This chapter does not restrict the generally recognized existing rights of parents to use reasonable supervision and control when raising their children.

§ 6303. Definitions.
(a) General rule.--The following words and phrases when used in this chapter shall have the meanings given to them in this section unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:

"Accept for service."
Decide on the basis of the needs and problems of an individual to admit or receive the individual as a client of the agency or as required by a court order entered under 42 Pa.C.S. Ch. 63 (relating to juvenile matters).
"Child-care services."
Child day-care centers, group and family day-care homes, foster homes, adoptive parents, boarding homes for children, juvenile detention center services or programs for delinquent or dependent children; mental health, mental retardation, early intervention and drug and alcohol services for children; and other child-care services which are provided by or subject to approval, licensure, registration or certification by the Department of Public Welfare or a county social services agency or which are provided pursuant to a contract with these departments or a county social services agency. The term does not include such services or programs which may be offered by public and private schools, intermediate units or area vocational-technical schools.
"Child protective services."
Those services and activities provided by the Department of Public Welfare and each county agency for child abuse cases.
"Cooperation with an investigation or assessment."
Includes, but is not limited to, a school or school district which permits authorized personnel from the Department of Public Welfare or county agency to interview a student while the student is in attendance at school.
"County agency."
The county children and youth social service agency established pursuant to section 405 of the act of June 24, 1937 (P.L.2017, No.396), known as the County Institution District Law, or its successor, and supervised by the Department of Public Welfare under Article IX of the act of June 13, 1967 (P.L.31, No.21), known as the Public Welfare Code.
"Department."
The Department of Public Welfare of the Commonwealth.
"Expunge."
To strike out or obliterate entirely so that the expunged information may not be stored, identified or later recovered by any mechanical or electronic means or otherwise.
"Family members."
Spouses, parents and children or other persons related by consanguinity or affinity.
"Founded report."
A child abuse report made pursuant to this chapter if there has been any judicial adjudication based on a finding that a child who is a subject of the report has been abused, including the entry of a plea of guilty or nolo contendere or a finding of guilt to a criminal charge involving the same factual circumstances involved in the allegation of child abuse.
"Founded report for school employee."
A report under Subchapter C.1 (relating to students in public and private schools) if there has been any judicial adjudication based on a finding that the victim has suffered serious bodily injury or sexual abuse or exploitation, including the entry of a plea of guilty or nolo contendere or a finding of guilt to a criminal charge involving the same factual circumstances involved in the allegations of the report.
"General protective services."
Those services and activities provided by each county agency for nonabuse cases requiring protective services, as defined by the Department of Public Welfare in regulations.
"Indicated report."
A child abuse report made pursuant to this chapter if an investigation by the county agency or the Department of Public Welfare determines that substantial evidence of the alleged abuse exists based on any of the following:
Available medical evidence.
The child protective service investigation.
An admission of the acts of abuse by the perpetrator.
"Indicated report for school employee."
A report made under Subchapter C.1 (relating to students in public and private schools) if an investigation by the county agency determines that substantial evidence of serious bodily injury or sexual abuse or exploitation exists based on any of the following:
Available medical evidence.
The county agency's investigation.
An admission of the acts of abuse by the school employee.
"Individual residing in the same home as the child."
An individual who is 14 years of age or older and who resides in the same home as the child.
"Perpetrator."
A person who has committed child abuse and is a parent of a child, a person responsible for the welfare of a child, an individual residing in the same home as a child or a paramour of a child's parent.
"Person responsible for the child's welfare."
A person who provides permanent or temporary care, supervision, mental health diagnosis or treatment, training or control of a child in lieu of parental care, supervision and control. The term does not include a person who is employed by or provides services or programs in any public or private school, intermediate unit or area vocational-technical school.
"Protective services."
Those services and activities provided by the Department of Public Welfare and each county agency for children who are abused or are alleged to be in need of protection under this chapter.
"Recent acts or omissions."
Acts or omissions committed within two years of the date of the report to the Department of Public Welfare or county agency.
"Risk assessment."
A Commonwealth-approved systematic process that assesses a child's need for protection or services based on the risk of harm to the child.
"School employee."
An individual employed by a public or private school, intermediate unit or area vocational-technical school. The term includes an independent contractor and employees. The term excludes an individual who has no direct contact with students.
"Secretary."
The Secretary of Public Welfare of the Commonwealth.
"Serious bodily injury."
Bodily injury which creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious permanent disfigurement or protracted loss or impairment of function of any bodily member or organ.
"Serious mental injury."
A psychological condition, as diagnosed by a physician or licensed psychologist, including the refusal of appropriate treatment, that:
renders a child chronically and severely anxious, agitated, depressed, socially withdrawn, psychotic or in reasonable fear that the child's life or safety is threatened; or
seriously interferes with a child's ability to accomplish age-appropriate developmental and social tasks.
"Serious physical injury."
An injury that:
causes a child severe pain; or
significantly impairs a child's physical functioning, either temporarily or permanently.
"Sexual abuse or exploitation."
The employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement or coercion of any child to engage in or assist any other person to engage in any sexually explicit conduct or any simulation of any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction, including photographing, videotaping, computer depicting or filming, of any sexually explicit conduct or the rape, sexual assault, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, molestation, incest, indecent exposure, prostitution, statutory sexual assault or other form of sexual exploitation of children.
"Student."
An individual enrolled in a public or private school, intermediate unit or area vocational-technical school who is under 18 years of age.
"Subject of the report."
Any child, parent, guardian or other person responsible for the welfare of a child or any alleged or actual perpetrator or school employee named in a report made to the Department of Public Welfare or a county agency under this chapter.
"Substantial evidence."
Evidence which outweighs inconsistent evidence and which a reasonable person would accept as adequate to support a conclusion.
"Under investigation."
A child abuse report pursuant to this chapter which is being investigated to determine whether it is "founded," "indicated" or "unfounded."
"Unfounded report."
Any report made pursuant to this chapter unless the report is a "founded report" or an "indicated report."

(b) Child abuse.--

The term "child abuse" shall mean any of the following:
Any recent act or failure to act by a perpetrator which causes nonaccidental serious physical injury to a child under 18 years of age.
An act or failure to act by a perpetrator which causes nonaccidental serious mental injury to or sexual abuse or sexual exploitation of a child under 18 years of age.
Any recent act, failure to act or series of such acts or failures to act by a perpetrator which creates an imminent risk of serious physical injury to or sexual abuse or sexual exploitation of a child under 18 years of age.
Serious physical neglect by a perpetrator constituting prolonged or repeated lack of supervision or the failure to provide essentials of life, including adequate medical care, which endangers a child's life or development or impairs the child's functioning.
No child shall be deemed to be physically or mentally abused based on injuries that result solely from environmental factors that are beyond the control of the parent or person responsible for the child's welfare, such as inadequate housing, furnishings, income, clothing and medical care.
If, upon investigation, the county agency determines that a child has not been provided needed medical or surgical care because of seriously held religious beliefs of the child's parents, guardian or person responsible for the child's welfare, which beliefs are consistent with those of a bona fide religion, the child shall not be deemed to be physically or mentally abused. The county agency shall closely monitor the child and shall seek court-ordered medical intervention when the lack of medical or surgical care threatens the child's life or long-term health. In cases involving religious circumstances, all correspondence with a subject of the report and the records of the Department of Public Welfare and the county agency shall not reference "child abuse" and shall acknowledge the religious basis for the child's condition, and the family shall be referred for general protective services, if appropriate.


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HAHAHAHAHA

There you go. I think I just PROVED MY POINT

http://members.aol.com/StatutesP5/23.Cp.63A.html

[Teresa64]

Check out the bolded portions!

[Teresa64]

Thats the closest I could find that even mentioned adequate housing.

[Sunnie]

I really don't care who said it or what she said after it, it is a law.


The law applies to more than fostercare. Navy members are assigned three bedroom housing when they have children of different genders.


And on certain Army posts, kids who are under 10 have to share a room, same sex or opposite sex.

[Sputterduck]

Good job Teresa64.

[nicurn]

What a delightful thread! I'm only a little miffed that Teresa is getting attention for her well-thought-out, proof-providing posts, and mine were utterly ignored.

Only a little.

:sniff:

[Sputterduck]

What a delightful thread! I'm only a little miffed that Teresa is getting attention for her well-thought-out proof-providing posts, and mine were utterly ignored.

Only a little.

:sniff:


I must have missed yours! I'm sorry!

[Teresa64]

Fair Housing in California (http://www.lsnc.net/housing/fh_manual/fh_manual_all_2004.pdf)

I don't know how I missed this. Sorry nicurn!!!!

[Ilovemonkeys]

If there were such a law then basically every child in the south would have been taken away. ALL of the mill houses that mill workers were provided to live in were 2 bedroom. No matter how many kids you had.
One side of my family had 8 kids living in the mill house and another had 5 kids, plus 2 grandkids, grand total of 9 people in a 4 room, 2 bedroom house.

And 2 of my kids are breaking the law as we speak. Little sweethearts can't sleep unless they're touching one another.

Then again i'm probably breaking all kinds of decency laws, I share my bed with at least 2 of my kids, a dinosaur, a tiger, a curly dog, a real dog, a pile of books, several matchbox cars and strawberry shortcake, blue's clues and Dora pillows. It's like a daycare, only it's my bed.

[Teresa64]

If there were such a law then basically every child in the south would have been taken away. ALL of the mill houses that mill workers were provided to live in were 2 bedroom. No matter how many kids you had.
One side of my family had 8 kids living in the mill house and another had 5 kids, plus 2 grandkids, grand total of 9 people in a 4 room, 2 bedroom house.

And 2 of my kids are breaking the law as we speak. Little sweethearts can't sleep unless they're touching one another.

Then again i'm probably breaking all kinds of decency laws, I share my bed with at least 2 of my kids, a dinosaur, a tiger, a curly dog, a real dog, a pile of books, several matchbox cars and strawberry shortcake, blue's clues and Dora pillows. It's like a daycare, only it's my bed.


You sleep with BLUE!!! *gasp*

That is the most shocking thing I have ever heard.

I don't know whats worse. The fact that you sleep with Blue.
OR the fact that you allow Strawberry Shortcake to sleep with Blue as well.:p