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KaraJ
11-10-2008, 08:47 AM
I'm not sure how to say this, and at the same time I really don't want to say it (my pride loves getting in the way).

I feel like an jerk after the abortion thread. I kept digging my hole deeper, since I have a hard time admitting I'm wrong. I had this idea that people should be able to handle pregnancy fine, but when Bohemian brought up the contrast between a drunk teen and a sober woman, I knew I was caught. But rather than admit I was wrong, I tried to make it sound like a irresponsible teen got what was coming. And, well you saw what happened. Ugh. I apologize for being a complete neanderthal, since I know what I said was rude and uncalled for. I didn't want to back down, cause I hate being told "I told you so."
I'm still pro-life and hate abortion, but I've always left exceptions for raped victims and incest. Just not then, cause I really didn't want Bohemian to be right. :)

My pride didn't want to admit any of this, but with the encouragement of a friend I didn't know I had (thanks!), I felt like this was the best thing to do. And I am sorry.

still_me
11-10-2008, 09:31 AM
Kara, I think that it is great you came on here and said sorry. I am the type of person who forgives when asked. I will say I hope you don't let your "pride" get in your way again. Instead of just admitting you were wrong, you made your self look much worse. TBH, I don't know what bothers me more, someone thinking that way or someone who argues a hideous point just because they don't want to back down.

Anyways, I hope you know that just because someone changes your mind on a topic it doesn't mean that everything you believe in is wrong or will change. I don't think you are an awful person. I don't think you are mean and spiteful. What I do think is that you are around people who think the same. I'm not saying your religion or way of life is bad, it is just that sometimes it is necessary to look at things from a different perspective because not everyone or everything fits so neatly into a box.

I don't mean to sound preachy or come off like I think I know it all. Heck, I am not even that much older than you. It is just that I've been there. If anything, listening to a different opinion has strengthened my views on some topics and changed them on another. I hope that you can continue to grow in life and one day find that not everyone is out to undermine how you believe. They just want you to see life from their view.

Bohemian
11-10-2008, 09:32 AM
It takes a lot of courage to stand up and admit when we are wrong. I'm glad that you didn't mean what you said and that you really don't feel that way. I know that many of us have said things in the heat of the moment that we regret. I have done the same and I am also sorry for the times that I have gone beyond discussion in a heated debate and into personal attacks. Your apology seems sincere and I for one really do appreciate it. :)

Bellaelle
11-10-2008, 09:33 AM
I think you are a good person. Abortion is a very touchy and difficult subject. Both sides can be very passionate in their beliefs.

Anyways, I look forward to posting with you!

QuiltyConscience
11-10-2008, 11:31 AM
That must have been a hard post to make, Kara, And I'm glad you made it.

JudyJudyJudy
11-10-2008, 03:24 PM
That must have been a hard post to make, Kara, And I'm glad you made it.
I agree.

PSMommy
11-10-2008, 04:23 PM
:)

BeanBabies
11-10-2008, 04:30 PM
Wow. What a kind apology. :)

CatEyes
11-10-2008, 06:11 PM
I know that I fucked up when I first come here. I posted too much and put too much of my life out there then I got mad and did things that I sincerely regret doing on this board. I am glad that you made this post. It gives me the chance to say again that I am so very sorry for my behavior this past year. :hug:

zanie
11-10-2008, 06:26 PM
I guess I can forgive you. :)

KaraJ
11-10-2008, 08:33 PM
Whew, thanks, Zanie! I was so worried you wouldn't! ;)

RaisingThemLeft
11-10-2008, 10:19 PM
Apologies are good:) I've had to make several too;) I didn't read the abortion thread but it's a notoriously difficult topic.

hidesome
11-11-2008, 06:54 AM
Apologies are good:) I've had to make several too;) I didn't read the abortion thread but it's a notoriously difficult topic.

That is true. I've never seen an abortion threat that didn't end in a train wreck.

JudyJudyJudy
11-11-2008, 12:49 PM
That is true. I've never seen an abortion threat that didn't end in a train wreck.
I don't think abortion threats are that common here. ;)

Teresa64
11-11-2008, 01:00 PM
"hahaha"

I didn't notice that either...



I don't think abortion threats are that common here. ;)

CatEyes
11-11-2008, 06:34 PM
lol

steelady
11-11-2008, 06:38 PM
Thank you. Apology accepted.

BeachMama
11-11-2008, 06:49 PM
Good for you for apologizing and admitting that you were a jerk. It's not easy.

CatSoup
11-11-2008, 06:53 PM
:)

I just hope this ends the bashing. It's such an ugly thing.

Tweet
11-11-2008, 07:10 PM
So does this mean you wouldn't have less sympathy for a woman that was drunk when a rape occurred? I'd like to be very clear on your stance because it's something you've repeated several times. If you don't truly feel that way, that's good. Although I think it's mighty strange to say such a thing simply because you didn't want to be wrong. The apology is nice and I hope it's sincere.

And Catsoup, seriously, do you not expect people to respond angrily when hugely inflammatory things are posted?? You make it sounds like poor little ol Kara was picked on for no good reason, and that isn't the case. People responded to her angrily, and rightfully so. She has said horrible things. I assume she knows this or she wouldn't be apologizing,correct?

CatSoup
11-11-2008, 07:13 PM
And Catsoup, seriously, do you not expect people to respond angrily when hugely inflammatory things are posted?? You make it sounds like poor little ol Kara was picked on for no good reason, and that isn't the case. People responded to her angrily, and rightfully so. She has said horrible things. I assume she knows this or she wouldn't be apologizing,correct?


I don't disagree. I've never said there wasn't a good reason, just that it gets ugly.

KaraJ
11-11-2008, 08:48 PM
I would feel bad if anyone got raped, drunk or not. I still don't think getting drunk is a good idea, but I also know that there are varying circumstances, and it would be impossible to judge them all. It's also not my job to do so.

Bohemian
11-11-2008, 08:49 PM
:)

Tweet
11-11-2008, 11:17 PM
That is good to know, karaj.

Meredith
11-12-2008, 12:17 AM
That was a very nice apology. It takes a big person to swallow pride and make that step toward amends.