Octuplets born in CA

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

I'm so happy to hear that they are all off the vent.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28864195/

[Becca75]

I'm amazed that they're breathing on their own! The doctor in the interview with Matt Lauer said they are encouraging the mom to pump for her babies and she's already said she's planning to breastfeed them.

Has anyone said how long she managed to carry them?

[AlrightyRoo]

The article said that the babies were 9 weeks premature. That would put them at 31 weeks. I am surprised that they managed to stay in that long.

I commend her for wanting to breastfeed them. There are many mothers who don't even consider nursing twins/triplets much less higher order multiples.

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

I saw that also. Matt Lauer even asked how it would be possible w/ 8 babies.

I'll be following their story & praying they are all healthy.

[KerryS]

The article said 30 weeks. (checked in at 23 weeks and delivered 7 weeks later). I find that ASTONISHING.

But other than that, I really don't have any happy good feelings about the whole thing. I'm glad they're not micropreemies. I think having litters of babies is just morally and ethically wrong.

[JulieBaby]

Thank God all babies are healthy, I hope they continue this way.

As for the breastfeeding, I dont mean to be negative, but her saying shes planning on bf'ing is probably just wishful thinking.

Right not pumping should be easy as the babies arent taking in too much, but as far as getting them all to latch on and feed from the breast, I doubt it.

[KerryS]

Right not pumping should be easy as the babies arent taking in too much, but as far as getting them all to latch on and feed from the breast, I doubt it.

Why do you doubt it? I don't think anyone's holding any illusions that they'll be able to breastfeed exclusively. But I don't think it's odd or farfetched that all of them would be able to get in some breastfeeding, at least once they're stable.

[Justicedog]

I really do find that large number of multiples to be negligent on the parents and doctors part. I hope they can be healthy.

[KerryS]

I think the greater negligence lies with the doctors. Of course, they cannot FORCE the parents to make a certain choice, so yeah, the parents hold some culpability as well.

On second thought, I bet most doctors, even the ones involved with the cases, feel that mega multiples are a failure of science, rather than a miracle.

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

The article said 30 weeks. (checked in at 23 weeks and delivered 7 weeks later). I find that ASTONISHING.

But other than that, I really don't have any happy good feelings about the whole thing. I'm glad they're not micropreemies. I think having litters of babies is just morally and ethically wrong.

It isn't something I agree with either. I do however wish those babies the best!

Quints were recently born at the hospital where Molly was born. There is much controversy as the mom is not a US citizen.

[AlrightyRoo]

Knowing that I myself could not choose selective reduction, I would not choose a method of fertility treatment that had a large chance of producing higher order multiples. I think that that is the irresponsible choice that the parents made.

I don't know how the doctors handled it, but if they knew the parents would not choose selective reduction, I think it was irresponsible for the medical team to recommend/administer that fertility treatment. (What a long awkward sentence, uggh.)

[Justicedog]

It isn't something I agree with either. I do however wish those babies the best!

Quints were recently born at the hospital where Molly was born. There is much controversy as the mom is not a US citizen.

It seems neither is the father, now the five kids are and who is footing the huge hospital bill?

[KerryS]

It seems neither is the father, now the five kids are and who is footing the huge hospital bill?

Medicaid probably.

[KerryS]

I don't know how the doctors handled it, but if they knew the parents would not choose selective reduction, I think it was irresponsible for the medical team to recommend/administer that fertility treatment. (What a long awkward sentence, uggh.)

I'm guessing that "selective reduction" is part of the fine print of the agreement when they first begin fertility treatments, and it's discussed and the parents say "yeah yeah" because they don't believe they'll actually be faced with that situation, then when it actually happens, the parents say they can't do it and even though they agreed to it at the beginning, the doctors cannot FORCE them to abort some of their babies.

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

Knowing that I myself could not choose selective reduction, I would not choose a method of fertility treatment that had a large chance of producing higher order multiples. I think that that is the irresponsible choice that the parents made.

I don't know how the doctors handled it, but if they knew the parents would not choose selective reduction, I think it was irresponsible for the medical team to recommend/administer that fertility treatment. (What a long awkward sentence, uggh.)

I feel the same way.

[MiMi_of_4]

Sorry for a slight derail, but

CONGRATULATIONS, ROO! How did I miss the announcement you were expecting again?
I'm so excited for you!!!!

Carry on...grin...

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

It seems neither is the father, now the five kids are and who is footing the huge hospital bill?

The Chaplan at the NICU is working on it. The NICU is helping to get costs lowered. Hmmmmmmmm, 5 babies, I can only imagine the cost as Molly's care in the NICU totaled over 1 million. It's also my understanding the diaper and formula companies aren't offering anything as they usually do in multiple births.

[MiMi_of_4]

I feel the same way.

I still haven't figured out how to quote an in-quote, but I agree with you and Roo, PEM.

I can't imagine agreeing to having 8 (and who knows, perhaps even more) embryos implanted, knowing they might all become viable.

Well, according to this article, she did have the embryos implanted and then opted against selective reduction.

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

WHOA!

Discuss further...

[AlrightyRoo]

If it was explained fully to them, they agreed to selective reduction, but changed their minds when the situation presented itself, then I think the parents are the irresponsible ones.

[KerryS]

It's also my understanding the diaper and formula companies aren't offering anything as they usually do in multiple births.

Very interesting. I think that's going to become the norm - that diaper and formula companies are no longer going to be footing the bill for these higher order multiples. Not only a sign of our economy, but also a sign that higher order multiples are no longer the rarity they were 11 years ago when the McCaugheys had their septs.

[KerryS]

If it was explained fully to them, they agreed to selective reduction, but changed their minds when the situation presented itself, then I think the parents are the irresponsible ones.

I completely agree. However, I'm just GUESSING at the scenario, so I don't know if that's truly what happened in these situations.

[KerryS]

I can't imagine agreeing to having 8 (and who knows, perhaps even more) embryos implanted, knowing they might all become viable.

Most cases of higher order multiples are not through IVF (where they implant embryos). They're with artificial insemination, where the ovaries become hyperstimulated and the woman releases multiple eggs. In most cases of IVF, they only implant 1, 2 or 3 eggs.

[AlrightyRoo]

Sorry for a slight derail, but

CONGRATULATIONS, ROO! How did I miss the announcement you were expecting again?
I'm so excited for you!!!!

Carry on...grin...
LOL! Thanks Mimi! We are thrilled. It is just now starting to become real. Which is funny since I have had a baby belly for a while now and I have felt movement for a while. And we were trying, so it is not like this is a surprise. lol!

[Tweet]

I am amazed as well that she made it to 30 weeks. I cannot believe she is going nurse all of the, either. Wow.

But,yeah, I find it to be pretty negligent.

[AlrightyRoo]

Most cases of higher order multiples are not through IVF (where they implant embryos). They're with artificial insemination, where the ovaries become hyperstimulated and the woman releases multiple eggs. In most cases of IVF, they only implant 1, 2 or 3 eggs.


This is what I was going to ask to clarify. But isn't IVF far more expense (because it is so much more involved)? I can imagine there are people that would want to risk it, so they have more chances at getting pregnant. Having to do IVF multiple times would be ridiculously expensive.

It must be a very difficult choice to make. I am really thankful that I haven't been faced with those decisions. I really feel for those families that have to go through that process.

[KerryS]

I don't know about how the expenses compare. A very good friend is doing IVF right now - they purchased a 3-cycle package for around $12K, I believe. As you said, I would guess that AI is probably quite a bit cheaper.

There are some cases where artificial insemination would be inappropriate, due to health/physiological reasons.

[AlrightyRoo]

I don't know about how the expenses compare. A very good friend is doing IVF right now - they purchased a 3-cycle package for around $12K, I believe. As you said, I would guess that AI is probably quite a bit cheaper.

There are some cases where artificial insemination would be inappropriate, due to health/physiological reasons.

I am sure there are. That is why I think it would be a difficult decision for someone like me that would not choose selective reduction.

If that was my only/best option I would have a hard time. I would like to say that I would not go through with it, but I haven't been faced with an inability to conceive. I am not totally sure how I would feel. In the end, I think I would not choose to do it, but it would be a hard decision.

I feel like I am being redundant, sorry. lol

[MiMi_of_4]

Most cases of higher order multiples are not through IVF (where they implant embryos). They're with artificial insemination, where the ovaries become hyperstimulated and the woman releases multiple eggs. In most cases of IVF, they only implant 1, 2 or 3 eggs.

Thanks for the explanation, Kerry. I'm not overly familiar with AI or IVF, so that makes a lot more sense.

[Justicedog]

The Chaplan at the NICU is working on it. The NICU is helping to get costs lowered. Hmmmmmmmm, 5 babies, I can only imagine the cost as Molly's care in the NICU totaled over 1 million. It's also my understanding the diaper and formula companies aren't offering anything as they usually do in multiple births.


He's working on getting the costs to the family lowered? It seems to me, that it costs a certain amount to care for the mother and the babies, someone is going to get charged with that cost, either the govenment, the hospital or the family.

[GirlsMama]

Well, with the televised lives of Jon and Kate plus 8, we all know they are making their living off letting the public into their lives and those of their children, I can see how someone would choose to have that many kids, maybe hoping that raising their children can be their only job as well.

Not saying raising a large number of children isn't a job, but, having a high number of babies by surprise, by normal methods, is far different from using fertility treatments.

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

I'm thinking IUI. But who knows. The mom has asked for privacy.

[Wildflower]

I don't know about how the expenses compare. A very good friend is doing IVF right now - they purchased a 3-cycle package for around $12K, I believe. As you said, I would guess that AI is probably quite a bit cheaper.

There are some cases where artificial insemination would be inappropriate, due to health/physiological reasons.

$12K for a shared risk package is extremely cheap. Normally one cycle of IVF is around $10K plus drugs (another $2-4K) and most package plans like your friends are more like $25K for 3 tries. These plans are only available to certain patients, too (ones who are almost a 'sure thing' for success. People with any real challenging infertility do not qualify for those plans.) Also IVF is often not covered by insurance, while IUI (artificial insem) or simply just drugs coupled with intercourse are often covered, so that leaves people with this 'choice' to do IUI covered in full or partially or to do IVF non-covered. It's no wonder people choose IUI.

No snark intended, but just to correct your language, Kerry, as I am sure you'd like to know since you're a nurse ... the correct term is 'transferred' not 'implant' - it's kind of a huge pet peeve of many who do IVF, as if doctors could "implant" embryos, that would be awesome, but they don't. They simply transfer them, and the embryos themselves must do the implanting.

I think it's amazing all 8 were born so big, and I hope they do well. I'm sure no rational person would choose 8 babies because they want a TV career, though! Yikes, talk about a gamble! More likely to end up with no babies or just a few handicapped ones, not 8 picture-perfect TLC stars. You'd be better off playing the lotto.

[KerryS]

No snark intended, but just to correct your language, Kerry, as I am sure you'd like to know since you're a nurse ... the correct term is 'transferred' not 'implant' - it's kind of a huge pet peeve of many who do IVF, as if doctors could "implant" embryos, that would be awesome, but they don't. They simply transfer them, and the embryos themselves must do the implanting.

Thank you and I apologize. I also know they don't transfer embryos, but blastocysts. ;)

And I need to clarify - it was $15K for a 3-cycle package. She's also getting a 4th cycle free because she's taking part in a study. I personally don't think she'll need 4 cycles, though. This doctor has a very good track record of success in one cycle.

[Wildflower]

Thank you and I apologize. I also know they don't transfer embryos, but blastocysts. ;)

And I need to clarify - it was $15K for a 3-cycle package. She's also getting a 4th cycle free because she's taking part in a study. I personally don't think she'll need 4 cycles, though. This doctor has a very good track record of success in one cycle.

Good luck to her! Studies are awesome if you can get into them. I tried to get into one once - I qualified on paper, but my previous IVF failure disqualified me.

As for the terms, I agree with you that 'embryo' isn't really the right term, but it is what is commonly used. Blastocyst doesn't fit for all IVFs, since many are done with 2, 3 or 4-day transfers, which are all before the blastocyst stage.

[JustMoi]

I'm glad that those people with the quints aren't getting free diapers and formula and whatever. Maybe it's because the parents aren't American citizens, and people are sick and tired of supporting them. Or it could be that the companies are sick and tired of rewarding people for breeding a litter. Personally, I'm glad.

[Justicedog]

I agree that those who are having high multiples shouldn't get rewarded for that risk. It's not that unusual these days. I think the diaper and formula companies would be better off doing some random "diapers" for life contests.

[Sputterduck]

If I ever have another baby it will probably be with clomid and whatever else. I know there is a risk for too many eggs to take, but I could not selectively reduce.

Call that unethical if you want, but I can't kill some to save others.

[KerryS]

If I ever have another baby it will probably be with clomid and whatever else. I know there is a risk for too many eggs to take, but I could not selectively reduce..

There is a slight risk of twins with Clomid use. There is no risk of higher order multiples with Clomid. The people who are having 6 or 8 babies are not using Clomid, but much stronger drugs (I'm thinking Lupron and Pergonal).

[SingingMom]

You do occasionally see higher numbers of babies with IVF, I think. I have heard of the odd case where a blastocyst or two twinned. So with the transfer of two or three fertilized ova, you very, very occasionally get four, five, or even six babies.

I don't feel particularly judgmental about individuals choosing to carry all the babies. I imagine that I would probably choose a reduction for the health of the surviving babies, but I can't find it in me to condemn someone for not making the choice I would make in this situation.

[Sputterduck]

There is a slight risk of twins with Clomid use. There is no risk of higher order multiples with Clomid. The people who are having 6 or 8 babies are not using Clomid, but much stronger drugs (I'm thinking Lupron and Pergonal).


That's why I said "and whatever else". My ovaries are damaged and only getting worse. I'll never conceive naturally at this point. I don't know what I'll need by the time I find myself married again.

[KerryS]

That's why I said "and whatever else". My ovaries are damaged and only getting worse. I'll never conceive naturally at this point. I don't know what I'll need by the time I find myself married again.

I would imagine that if you had the need to take something stronger than Clomid, you would be monitored via U/S. Therefore, there would be no need to selectively reduce because you would be aware if your ovaries were hyperstimmed.

[ChristmasTree]

http://growingyourbaby.com/2007/06/19/famous-multiple-births/

Famous multiple births..thought you all would find this interesting.

[Sputterduck]

I would imagine that if you had the need to take something stronger than Clomid, you would be monitored via U/S. Therefore, there would be no need to selectively reduce because you would be aware if your ovaries were hyperstimmed.


If it's as easy as an ultrasound to prevent this, then why does it happen?

[KerryS]

If it's as easy as an ultrasound to prevent this, then why does it happen?

Because a) there are some unethical doctors who don't stop a cycle even though the woman has hyperstimmed, and b) there are some couples who don't listen to their doctor when their doctor says "You have 10 mature follicles; whatever you do, do NOT have sex this cycle!"

[Sputterduck]

Because a) there are some unethical doctors who don't stop a cycle even though the woman has hyperstimmed, and b) there are some couples who don't listen to their doctor when their doctor says "You have 10 mature follicles; whatever you do, do NOT have sex this cycle!"


Well that sucks. The papers my fertility doc gave me said I would be a high risk for multiples, but maybe it's not so bad then if it's due to people being unethical and stuff. My doctor is so ethical that he wasn't willing to even attempt to get me pregnant until I was healthier.

[JudyJudyJudy]

I think the greater negligence lies with the doctors. Of course, they cannot FORCE the parents to make a certain choice, so yeah, the parents hold some culpability as well.

On second thought, I bet most doctors, even the ones involved with the cases, feel that mega multiples are a failure of science, rather than a miracle.
I do think parents in such situations are not without fault, but I believe that, ethically, doctors should not allow but x number to be implanted.

[KerryS]

I do think parents in such situations are not without fault, but I believe that, ethically, doctors should not allow but x number to be implanted.

First, it's "transferred," not "implanted" :)

Secondly, cases like this usually don't happen through IVF (where fertilized eggs are transferred), but through IUI/fertility drugs.

From what I gather, most doctors who do IVF only transfer up to 2, sometimes 3 eggs. The doctor my friend is using will only transfer 1 egg at a time (probably because he has such a high success rate). Their goal is ONE HEALTHY BABY only.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Okay, transferred. Same point. :p ;) I've read of many cases where the multiples were the result of too many fertilized eggs being transferred, and I think that's unethical.

This reminds me of a thread that I might start later.

[steelady]

I really do find that large number of multiples to be negligent on the parents and doctors part. I hope they can be healthy.


Naturally occurring, I wouldn't think so, but for fertility treatments resulting in higher order multiples? I agree.

[Justicedog]

What's the most number of naturally occurring fetuses? (or is it feti?)

[ChristmasTree]

What's the most number of naturally occurring fetuses? (or is it feti?)

i am not sure but i do know this...

Largest Multiple Birth**
1971 - Dr Gennaro Montanino from Rome-Italy, claimed to have removed 15
fetuses from the uterus of a 35yr old woman after 4 months of pregnancy. A
fertility drug was responsible for these Quindecaplets.

[KerryS]

I think quints are the highest order of documented naturally occurring multiples (the Dionne quints in Canada, who were born well before fertility drugs).

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

I think quints are the highest order of documented naturally occurring multiples (the Dionne quints in Canada, who were born well before fertility drugs).

They were also identical, correct?

[NewMum]

They were also identical, correct?


Yep.

[VegasLactivist]

Humans are not meant to have babies in litters. My god.

I'm very glad the babies are surviving, and holding on, but the whole thing is insanely irresponsible and just plain wrong.

[JudyJudyJudy]

The Dionne sisters' early life story is sad. :(

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

Well this story makes things even more interesting

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/29/earlyshow/health/main4761676.shtml

It's just a hunch, but I'm thinking they aren't US Citizens.

[KerrySmithIBCLC]

Holy cow. How on earth are they going to raise 14 children in a 3-bedroom home with several adults?

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

I don't know. It's all just crazy. I'm sure that's why they want privacy.

[RaisingThemLeft]

Well this story makes things even more interesting

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/29/earlyshow/health/main4761676.shtml

It's just a hunch, but I'm thinking they aren't US Citizens.

OFFS. It burns me up so bad that our schools are going to run out of supplies by FEB. of this year because of a lack of funding, but we are shelling out for this shit. That really chaps my ass. And if they are on Medical then how the heck did they get these fertility drugs? And why the heck were they taking fertility drugs when they already have SIX kids? This whole story just keeps getting more and more disturbing.

[KerrySmithIBCLC]

And why the heck were they taking fertility drugs when they already have SIX kids?

That's a very good question. It just seems sort of...I don't know...greedy?

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

As for religios reasons (thinking of the Duggars here) are fertility treatments frowned upon?


Also the quints I spoke of up thread who's parents aren't US Citizens, I wonder how they afforded treatments as well. Like the octuplet mom, they won't say if they used tratments, but in my eyes, that's a yes we did.

[Justicedog]

Holy cow. How on earth are they going to raise 14 children in a 3-bedroom home with several adults?


How did they create 14 children with that many people in the house? Granted, it'd have been several adults and 6 kids.

[RaisingThemLeft]

Well, I just read that the woman is a single parent so there isn't even a "they". This story keeps getting weirder and weirder. Oh, and my claim to fame with this story- I just found an email in my inbox from right before the story broke (it was an attachment so I didn't get around to looking at it until now) from dh's cousin. She was forwarding a message from her coworker asking for baby clothes because her friend just had 8 babies :rolleyes:

[RaisingThemLeft]

Here are a couple of updated links http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/the-doctors-who.html and http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=6764771&page=2 The first link has the Dr.'s confirming that this was a case of fertility drugs and the mom refusing to selectively reduce. The second one has a neighbor saying that she is a single mom living with her mother and 6 other children.

Actually I take that back. They never said she was on fertility drugs, only that she came to them at 12 weeks and they offered her selective reduction. That kind of leads me to believe that she was self medicating with fertility drugs but of course that's only speculation. I have heard that it's fairly common for people to be able to obtain fertility drugs illegally though, either buying people's leftovers on the internet or getting them from a friend.

[VegasLactivist]

Single mother, already 6 kids, likely living off the state, illegally takes fertility drugs, and GETS A DOCTOR to do that implantation? WTH?!??!

[steelady]

Single mother, already 6 kids, likely living off the state, illegally takes fertility drugs, and GETS A DOCTOR to do that implantation? WTH?!??!


From what I understand, (from Kerry mostly) it isn't an implantation thing, its a hyper-stimulation of the ovary thing.

If she had the meds, a doctor wouldn't be needed (unless he was the sperm donor)

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

Well, I just read that the woman is a single parent so there isn't even a "they". This story keeps getting weirder and weirder. Oh, and my claim to fame with this story- I just found an email in my inbox from right before the story broke (it was an attachment so I didn't get around to looking at it until now) from dh's cousin. She was forwarding a message from her coworker asking for baby clothes because her friend just had 8 babies :rolleyes:

I thought I had read somewhere that she was unmarried, which for whatever reason led me to believe she had a partner, they just weren't married.
However, at this point, who knows.

[KerryS]

Single mother, already 6 kids, likely living off the state, illegally takes fertility drugs, and GETS A DOCTOR to do that implantation? WTH?!??!

THere was no implantation (ETA: there is one news article that states that, but I still question whether it's accurate)! She most likely took fertility drugs, hyperstimulated her ovaries, and then had sex.

I'm not sure if you read through the whole thread, but it's been explained already that the vast majority of cases of higher order multiples comes from IUI/fertility drugs, NOT IVF.

[Justicedog]

I wonder who the father/fathers is/are?

[Shaunsmom]

Here's another updated story I found on Yahoo: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

You already have 6 kids and they are ages: 7, 6, 5, 3, 2, 2...

Why the need for more is my own personal question? There doesn't need to be an answer...just a ponderous thought.

Yeah, I wonder who the father/fathers is/are too.

[Wildflower]

I keep hearing the word "IMPLANTED" in the media and it's driving me nuts, lol! I guess the mother of the woman said she did IVF and that she didn't think all the "implanted embryos would take". Ummmm... 6 kids already and a doctor transferring EIGHT embryos? If she did IVF, I can almost guarantee it wasn't in the US. Maybe Mexico? I hate to judge, but this woman obviously wasn't infertile. What was she doing? What were her motives? If they were to just get famous or have a TLC show, that is just really freaking sad! Really sad for those babies, who will likely have to be fed by bottle-propping and god knows what - I just hope she gets her wish and gets a lot of help, at least in the form of childcare, for those babies' sakes. Not to mention the older kids.... who will have time for them?

[KerryS]

6 kids already and a doctor transferring EIGHT embryos? If she did IVF, I can almost guarantee it wasn't in the US. Maybe Mexico? I hate to judge, but this woman obviously wasn't infertile. What was she doing? What were her motives?

These are exactly my thoughts as well. I am absolutely DUMBFOUNDED that a doctor would transfer 8+ embryos into a woman who clearly doesn't have fertility issues. I hope he gets his ass handed to him on a platter. That is medical malpractice, IMO.

[Suzette]

She *was* implanted.
She had frozen embryos left from her previous pregnancies, and did not want them discarded.
She was obsessed with having children.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

[MiMi_of_4]

MiMi: I can't imagine agreeing to having 8 (and who knows, perhaps even more) embryos implanted, knowing they might all become viable.

Most cases of higher order multiples are not through IVF (where they implant embryos). They're with artificial insemination, where the ovaries become hyperstimulated and the woman releases multiple eggs. In most cases of IVF, they only implant 1, 2 or 3 eggs.


According to this recent article, the embryos were implanted and she opted against selective reduction.

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/...e_us/octuplets

Unbelievable and IMO, irresponsible.

Discuss further...

[MiMi_of_4]

Oooops, I missed Suzette's post, so consider this a bump for further discussion.

[Becca75]

These are exactly my thoughts as well. I am absolutely DUMBFOUNDED that a doctor would transfer 8+ embryos into a woman who clearly doesn't have fertility issues. I hope he gets his ass handed to him on a platter. That is medical malpractice, IMO.


That pretty much sums up my feelings. He/she should not have a medical license.

[Justicedog]

Should the state be asked to pay to support the kids b/c mom cannot, I think the doctor who transferred those embryos should.

[JustMoi]

I think she's obviously got mental issues. Her doctors are completely without ethics.

[HammBugga]

Fucking outrageous. What is up with her saying she got paid to do it? And what is up with a person who seems to need some counseling herself trying to become a counselor?

[Wildflower]

This story keeps getting more outrageous.

So the grandma claims the mom did IVF and got 'paid' to do it, so I assume IF this is true, that means she's been an egg donor in the past and was doing shared cycles.

IF - because I do NOT believe any RE would transfer EIGHT embryos into a woman with SIX kids 7 years old and under - that is insane. I'm not going to buy it until the doctor comes forward, because this could all be just a big story to cover up the fact that this woman self-medicated.

According to something else I heard, the woman (or grandma, who knows) is saying 8 were not 'implanted' but less and they 'multiplied' (I assume she means they split). Then in the same article the "EXPERTS" said this could be the case since she's been on so many stim drugs in the past. However, since that has NOTHING to do with embryos splitting, that makes no sense and again, we get misinformation.

THEN I read that she is seeking 2 million dollars for an interview.

And she's supposedly some 'childcare expert' or something.....

Ugh... let me see if I can find a link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

Also, just FTR, they take the little embryos and put them in a special fluid and they *transfer* them through the cervix into the uterus, kind of like a very skinny turkey baster. The embryos are just then floating around in there loose. The procedure takes only seconds. It's just a transfer. The lining isn't punctured and the embryos aren't buried or implanted. Transfer transfer transfer - LOL. The embryo itself needs to get to the stage of implantation on its own and go through the same processes that a natural pregnancy would.

[JudyJudyJudy]

She is a fucknut of the highest order.

[HammBugga]

Transfer. I thought we needed to see that word again ;)

[JudyJudyJudy]

Somebody needs to transfer that fucknut somewhere.

[Peeka2]

Those poor babies...

[Justicedog]

Oh, but she always wanted children, she's so good with them. :rolleyes:

I don't care how good one is with kids, no one can take care of 8 babies. I don't think even two people can take care of 8 babies and 6 kids.

I really hope no one pays her for her "story".

[JudyJudyJudy]

JD, I agree on all counts. Six little kids at that. We're not even talking about kids who are old enough to help.

[PrincessEmilysMommy]

She wants the $

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

[HammBugga]

Somebody needs to transfer that fucknut somewhere.


lol

[Justicedog]

The identity of the octuplets’ father remains unknown, but local reports suggest they were conceived with frozen sperm donated by a friend she met while working at a fertility clinic. He is the father of her twins, born two years ago.


Hmm, I'm thinking some of the mystery is solved as to where she may have gotten some of the fertility drugs.

She needs to be committed. I'll boycott anything she promotes.

[Justicedog]

“She doesn’t have any more, so it’s over now. It has to be,” said the grandmother.

Does she have a uterus? Unless they took that out, I wouldn't be so confidant it's over.

[MiMi_of_4]

Somebody needs to transfer that fucknut somewhere.

:clap:

[RaisingThemLeft]

This story keeps getting more outrageous.

IF - because I do NOT believe any RE would transfer EIGHT embryos into a woman with SIX kids 7 years old and under - that is insane. I'm not going to buy it until the doctor comes forward, because this could all be just a big story to cover up the fact that this woman self-medicated.



I'm with you. I highly suspect her of self medicating. Wasn't it the case with the McCoy septuplets that they did not have IVF but just fertility drugs?

[JudyJudyJudy]

I think JD hit the nail on the head.