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PrincessEmilysMommy
02-07-2009, 01:49 PM
Would you please say something that I disagree with? I'm really starting to wonder if I *am* you!

Justicedog
02-08-2009, 01:18 PM
Ok, let's see what I can do. (I'm sure I'll get flamed in the process.)

I don't think I should be prohibited from letting my dd pack an uncrustable sandwich for school lunch.

I am Republican, I'm not ashamed to say it. I think the party has gone too religious right and isn't the party it was when I joined. I'd like to see the more moderate and fiscally conservative folks take back the party.

I love the Packers. I think their management should be fired. I think that they should have been nicer to Brett Favre and should have kept him. I think Jets fans don't deserve him.

I can only eat pork chops if I have applesauce.

I like to garden and play in the dirt.



Anything here with which you can disagree? I can try harder. Although, if you agree with me on most things, you must be right most of the time. :)

nikkifaith
02-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Yah, I agree that killing kids isn't nearly as tragic as Bobby not having his uncrustable.


Are you also pro american citizen fetus, PEM?

Justicedog
02-08-2009, 02:59 PM
Yah, I agree that killing kids isn't nearly as tragic as Bobby not having his uncrustable.

My dd having peanut butter isn't going to kill kids if reasonable accommodations are taken for those with allergies. I cannot believe that the only accommodation is to make the world peanut free, I think that an over reaction.

What does the "pro american citizen fetus" mean?

PrincessEmilysMommy
02-09-2009, 05:40 PM
Ok, let's see what I can do. (I'm sure I'll get flamed in the process.)

I don't think I should be prohibited from letting my dd pack an uncrustable sandwich for school lunch. Me either!

I am Republican, I'm not ashamed to say it. I think the party has gone too religious right and isn't the party it was when I joined. I'd like to see the more moderate and fiscally conservative folks take back the party. Me too! Well I used to be afraid to say it, but not for the past few years.

I love the Packers. I think their management should be fired. I think that they should have been nicer to Brett Favre and should have kept him. I think Jets fans don't deserve him. Well I love the Ravens. But I do think Farve should've been a Packer again!

I can only eat pork chops if I have applesauce. Me too. Ever since I saw the Brady Bunch episode where Peter says Pork Chops & applesauce

I like to garden and play in the dirt. As do I! A friend sent me a rose bush when Molly was born and I planted it & remembered how much I enjoyed gardening.


Anything here with which you can disagree? I can try harder. Although, if you agree with me on most things, you must be right most of the time. :)

Try harder!

SingingMom
02-09-2009, 06:13 PM
I am Republican, I'm not ashamed to say it. I think the party has gone too religious right and isn't the party it was when I joined. I'd like to see the more moderate and fiscally conservative folks take back the party.


I joined the Republican Party because I wanted to have a say in the primaries. (I figured the Democrats didn't need my help.) Somehow I ended up caring about the whole thing. I, too would love to see moderate and fiscally conservative folks take back the party.

I like to garden and play in the dirt.

Well, yeah. Gardening is like playing in the dirt for grown-ups. Maybe somebody should make a line of gardening products modeled after Tonka toys.


Anything here with which you can disagree? I can try harder. Although, if you agree with me on most things, you must be right most of the time. :)

Now I KNOW I'm right. ;)

Justicedog
02-09-2009, 08:43 PM
I'm for capital punishment.

I think that English should be made the official language in the US.

I don't think the Immigration Services is doing a good enough job in removing illegal immigrants. I think the comment made by those who are in favor of illegal immigration that hey, we all come from immigrants and that's what has made America a success fails to take into account that times and the needs of a country change.

I think racial profiling, in certain circumstances, is warranted. (i.e. ICE targeting latinos in a 7-11 and it's parking lot where it's known to be a hot spot for non-documented day laborers to hang out to solicit work.)

I think having snakes as pets is scary.

I think that the US needs to become the leader in non-oil energy sources and I think it absurd that we haven't done even 1/100th of what we should have done in the 70's to create alternative energy.

I'm scared of nuclear energy - not just for "natural" disasters, but because they'd be terrorist targets and because (as far as I understand it) they create some pretty hazardous waste product.

PrincessEmilysMommy
02-10-2009, 07:46 AM
I'm for capital punishment.

I think that English should be made the official language in the US.

I don't think the Immigration Services is doing a good enough job in removing illegal immigrants. I think the comment made by those who are in favor of illegal immigration that hey, we all come from immigrants and that's what has made America a success fails to take into account that times and the needs of a country change.

I think racial profiling, in certain circumstances, is warranted. (i.e. ICE targeting latinos in a 7-11 and it's parking lot where it's known to be a hot spot for non-documented day laborers to hang out to solicit work.)

I think having snakes as pets is scary.

I think that the US needs to become the leader in non-oil energy sources and I think it absurd that we haven't done even 1/100th of what we should have done in the 70's to create alternative energy.

I'm scared of nuclear energy - not just for "natural" disasters, but because they'd be terrorist targets and because (as far as I understand it) they create some pretty hazardous waste product.

I was right! I AM Justice Dog!

Justicedog
02-10-2009, 08:29 AM
:) :hug:

SingingMom
02-10-2009, 12:32 PM
I'm for capital punishment.

I'd be for capital punishment if I thought the justice system worked better. Philosophically, I can see both sides; but I think that our current approach is not effective as a deterrent and is unfair.

I think that English should be made the official language in the US.

As in, nobody's allowed to speak anything else? Or do business? Or what? I don't care what language people speak, and I haven't had any trouble getting what I wanted in English. It doesn't bother me if the Department of Motor Vehicles puts out info in other languages. It isn't easy to succeed in this country if you don't speak English; for most immigrants, there's already plenty of motivation to learn.

I don't think the Immigration Services is doing a good enough job in removing illegal immigrants. I think the comment made by those who are in favor of illegal immigration that hey, we all come from immigrants and that's what has made America a success fails to take into account that times and the needs of a country change.

I'm not in favor of illegal immigration. I think that practices that ignore our laws weaken us a nation. I would rather recognize the business realities and allow legal immigration. My ancestors were immigrants, yes, but they came here legally.

I think racial profiling, in certain circumstances, is warranted. (i.e. ICE targeting latinos in a 7-11 and it's parking lot where it's known to be a hot spot for non-documented day laborers to hang out to solicit work.)

I think this is reasonable, too. I live in an area where the drug dealers are almost all black and drive a certain type of car. It seems reasonable to profile this way. Forty minutes north of here, black men driving that car are doctors and lawyers. Profiles can be reasonable, IMO.

I think having snakes as pets is scary.

I don't think garter snakes and ribbon snakes are scary. But I wonder about people who keep venomous creatures for pets.

I think that the US needs to become the leader in non-oil energy sources and I think it absurd that we haven't done even 1/100th of what we should have done in the 70's to create alternative energy.

Economic motives matter. We lack the political will to change this.

I'm scared of nuclear energy - not just for "natural" disasters, but because they'd be terrorist targets and because (as far as I understand it) they create some pretty hazardous waste product.

I think nuclear energy is great. I think it's the only energy source where ALL the waste products are accounted for and stored. Instead of breathing the carcinogens, you get to store them somewhere else.

As for terrorist targets, well, conventional power plants make pretty good targets as well. And office buildings. And bridges, dams, and freeway overpasses. And refineries, and chemical processing plants. And so on, and so on.

Justicedog
02-10-2009, 12:44 PM
As in, nobody's allowed to speak anything else? Or do business? Or what? I don't care what language people speak, and I haven't had any trouble getting what I wanted in English. It doesn't bother me if the Department of Motor Vehicles puts out info in other languages. It isn't easy to succeed in this country if you don't speak English; for most immigrants, there's already plenty of motivation to learn.

As in the government isn't required to provide forms and interpretors for other languages. I think that te government should sponsor (grant) English classes for immigrants.


I think it's the only energy source where ALL the waste products are accounted for and stored. Instead of breathing the carcinogens, you get to store them somewhere else.


What waste products does wind and solar energy produce? Those are the two that have my big support right now. (I'm not being snarky, I assume, maybe incorrectly, that there aren't harmful things associated with it.)

The nuclear energy threat is more my fear of a chernobil type accident or forced accident. A chemical plant would be the same type of thing, except I don't think it's as long lasting.

steelady
02-10-2009, 01:29 PM
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What waste products does wind and solar energy produce? Those are the two that have my big support right now. (I'm not being snarky, I assume, maybe incorrectly, that there aren't harmful things associated with it.)

The nuclear energy threat is more my fear of a chernobil type accident or forced accident. A chemical plant would be the same type of thing, except I don't think it's as long lasting.


The production both solar panels and turbines produce a lot of nasty stuff. For example, huge amounts of HF (acid) and other toxic chemicals are used to make solar cells. Producing the steel required for the turbines (as well as forging to make the turbine) is incredibly energy intensive and can produce hazardous waste.

No energy source is completely "waste" free.

Justicedog
02-10-2009, 01:34 PM
Thanks Steel, I didn't know.

steelady
02-10-2009, 01:44 PM
The mill I worked at made steel for turbines, and I think one of our sister companies forged it. Pretty cool to watch!

I really wish solar cells were better-and I think there is some great stuff coming up (we do some design support work, but mostly on the glass and electronics, not the cells themselves).

Except for some of the chemicals used for the solar cells, I believe most of the waste can be greatly reduced.

SingingMom
02-10-2009, 02:34 PM
Solar cells also depend on some fairly toxic ingredients; arsenic and the like. You're looking at some interesting compounds to catch photons and produce electricity; that sort of material tends to be "interesting" in other ways, as well. With unfortunate effects on carbon based life-forms. ;)

So far, their efficiency sucks and they have a limited life span. Not a good energy source yet. There are good reasons we are using them large scale yet.

Wind turbines are hard on the environment mostly in the cost of steel production, as steelady said. But they have effects on migrating birds, also, and in general, make a lot of noise. And they are not completely reliable.

We could do great things by eliminating as much power transmission loss as possible (maybe with smaller power plants, distributed more sensibly) and reducing energy waste.

Justicedog
02-10-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, that sure takes the wind out of my sails. :(

Still, I think that the US should be developing this stuff and creating the technology to make it not toxic.

SingingMom
02-10-2009, 07:42 PM
There is also a lot of possibility for just better engineering overall- more insulation for houses. Geothermal heating/cooling; I don't mean on a large scale. I mean, just taking advantage of the natural difference in temperature ten feet below the ground. In a state like CA, many houses could be climate controlled at least in part with a geothermal system, with minimal power applied.