smoking weed

[nursingmotherof2]

Do you think smoking weed once in a while is OK while breastfeeding?

[MrsKitty]

I have mixed feelings about this. I wouldn't do it myself, and I don't quite agree with it, but I wouldn't get too worked up about someone who was doing it from time to time. I have known several mothers to smoke pot occasionally while nursing.

[nursingmotherof2]

what do you think happens to the baby? i hear that it goes to there poop and pee.

[JudyJudyJudy]

No.

[cc1003]

Absolutely not okay to me.

http://www.babycenter.com/404_is-it-safe-to-smoke-marijuana-while-breastfeeding_3131.bc

[Now_serving_number4]

nope

[HammBugga]

what do you think happens to the baby? i hear that it goes to there poop and pee.


It goes to their poop and pee? Is that a joke?

FYI, if you smoke weed and breastfeed, and they happen to draw blood from your baby to test for drugs, it will come out positive and your baby will likely be taken away by CPS.

My answer is HELL NO.

[Sadalsuud]

I believe it is a misunderstanding of what was basically said on the link provided by cc103 above, that you can find traces of it in the stool and urine.

[nursingmotherof2]

It goes to their poop and pee? Is that a joke?

FYI, if you smoke weed and breastfeed, and they happen to draw blood from your baby to test for drugs, it will come out positive and your baby will likely be taken away by CPS.

My answer is HELL NO.


read what it says in the link...

[JudyJudyJudy]

nmof2, if the blood, pee, or stool were tested, the marijuana would show up in all of it. That doesn't mean that it goes straight to the infant's pee and poop. It goes there after it flows through the rest of the body. It does the same in an adult; that's why they test for drugs by taking a urine sample.

[Wolverine]

It goes to their poop and pee? Is that a joke?

FYI, if you smoke weed and breastfeed, and they happen to draw blood from your baby to test for drugs, it will come out positive and your baby will likely be taken away by CPS.

My answer is HELL NO.

This. Regardless of whether I thought it was bad for me or my baby, I would never take or buy illegal substances because if I did, I would be putting the custody (and therefore safety) of my child at risk.

[Peeka2]

This. Regardless of whether I thought it was bad for me or my baby, I would never take or buy illegal substances because if I did, I would be putting the custody (and therefore safety) of my child at risk.

This absolutely. Illegal substances are NEVER allowed around my children, in my house or property. (I know that I may not know if someone has it on them but if someone asks the answer is always no.)

[Babyblue]

I could never put my children at risk like that, medicaly or legaly.

[KatieLou]

No.

[cc1003]

I don't mean to be ugly or judgmental but who the hell voted yes??

Care to elaborate on your decision?

[Babyblue]

I can see people, where it is not illegal and the mothers smoke small amounts very rarely, saying yes.

[JudyJudyJudy]

I don't mean to be ugly or judgmental but who the hell voted yes??

Care to elaborate on your decision?
I'll judge right along with you.

[kat_langan]

I would say absolutely not!!! how could anyone think of doing something so stupid when they have a precious little being in there arms? When it comes to children and smoking around them and doing drugs around them, especially while BFing? It really angers me! I think some people need to grow up and take care of their responsibilities rather than worrying about smoking.

Just saying....

[Babyblue]

I'll judge right along with you.

Ive gone threw so much with ds, and gone threw so much just trying to have one more baby. I cant help but be a little put off that a mother would do anything to risk their child. perhaps its just me coming from my stressed out world here.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Ive gone threw so much with ds, and gone threw so much just trying to have one more baby. I cant help but be a little put off that a mother would do anything to risk their child. perhaps its just me coming from my stressed out world here.
I completely understand. I was never able to have a second child.

I know a stupid woman who did Ecstasy and who-knows-what-else when her baby was a tiny infant. Her argument was that she "waited 24 hours before breastfeeding." That child now has an autoimmune thyroid condition as well as type 1 diabetes. We'll never know whether or not Ecstasy contributed, but I'll always wonder.

[cc1003]

I'm so annoyed by the thought that it would be okay! I mean, to break it down to my thought process, alcohol leaves your system in a few hours. If you took a "alcohol test" a couple of days after you had a glass of wine, it wouldn't show up.

However, if you took a drug test a week after smoking weed, it would be there.

I'll just say this; it would take a real piece of work to feel comfortable smoking weed and nursing.

[JudyJudyJudy]

The only reason I can understand why someone would consider smoking pot and nursing is if the pot were prescribed by a doctor. While *I* still wouldn't do it, it's probably not as dangerous as many of the medications that people take while breastfeeding.

[maksmom]

I'm shocked that eight people said yes! Yet no one is standing up for their decision....makes me wonder....

[CamsMommy]

NO! Not OK!

I don't even care to speak to anyone who smokes weed when they aren't BF'ing (or does any type of illegal drug or abuse drugs prescribed to them).

It sickens me!

[minxs]

So,i voted yes.
It is not something i would ever do, but i have a friend how does and given her situation i do understand her smoking a joint every now an then.
Where she lives it is not illegal to smoke pot, (clearly not the USA). She has MS and smoking pot every now and than helps her through her episodes much faster. She smokes about 1 or 2 joints at the onset of an episode and uses her frozen stash for the day after her smoking. She knows that traces can be found in milk on the other days too, but finds this a calculated risk. She opted to take a "light" regimen of drugs to manage her MS so she can breastfeed (the standard "harder" regimen would not be compatible with BF). For her 3-4 joints a year allow her to breastfeed.

the OP probably was wanting a statement on recreational users who smoke a lot of pot/eat space cake etc. In those cases i would indeed vote no. Same holds true IMO for people who drink a lot and nurse knowing there is a considerate level of alcohol in their milk (not talking about people who sometimes go wild, drink and wait a few hrs before feeding, or pump and dump)

I don't judge my friend for smoking a few joints a year, like i would not judge a person who was prescribed temporary opioid or opiate based drugs for an injury and continued to BF.

[EvilAmy]

I'm shocked that eight people said yes! Yet no one is standing up for their decision....makes me wonder....

It would make me wonder too, Afterall, who wouldn't love to be flamed to a crisp?

I haven't voted yet, the poll is far too vague. I could go through and list scenarios and have them end up being yes, and some end up no. And since there was no "it depends" or "maybe" I won't be voting. I would find that the "HELL NO" option to put this under looking for a certain response and the glittery WELCOME was also used by a common troll that wanders these parts. So I could be a little overly cautious but I'm getting a shit-stirring vibe.

[nikkifaith]

I did.

[nursingmotherof2]

It would make me wonder too, Afterall, who wouldn't love to be flamed to a crisp?

I haven't voted yet, the poll is far too vague. I could go through and list scenarios and have them end up being yes, and some end up no. And since there was no "it depends" or "maybe" I won't be voting. I would find that the "HELL NO" option to put this under looking for a certain response and the glittery WELCOME was also used by a common troll that wanders these parts. So I could be a little overly cautious but I'm getting a shit-stirring vibe.


Does my welcome pic bother you? Anyone can use it and it don`t mean that there a troll! I just think it was a nice glitter that i found for me and my page. There is a lot more trolls on here that you need to worry about be sides me!

[Ilovemonkeys]

I don't think it's a terrible thing. I have never smoked anything and I assume I wouldn't be able to smoke even if it was prescribed by a dr, so I probably wouldn't do it.

Really the biggest concern for me would be that THC is stored in the fat cells and can be detected, in the child, for up to 4 weeks. So said the research I read a few years back, I don't know how accurate that is, if it was human or rat research.

I wouldn't want an illegal drug to be detected in my child's body.

That said, I think many nursing mothers ingest far worse substances than cannibis.
I think cannibis is as valid a drug as digitalis and aspirin.

[EvilAmy]

There is a lot more trolls on here that you need to worry about be sides me!

Oh I don't worry, I rather enjoy trolls. I just raise my eyebrow in the thought of "what a kowinkydink" since it's been posters that have turned out to be trolls have had the very same glittery Welcome. I just pick and choose when I want to play with said trolls is all. And when it's the sole purpose of posting controversial debates to get others flamed for shits and giggles, I'm more likely to keep my sights set on the shitter rather than the people that step in it.

[QuiltyConscience]

I voted no. I also don't think it's worth the risk for me to smoke weed at anytime.

[nursingmotherof2]

i voted NO.

[tata]

I voted yes. I didn't and wouldn't, but I'd rather a mama smoke weed and breastfeed than smoke weed and not breastfeed.

[HammBugga]

Tata, I feel that way about smoking cigarettes, but not weed. Back when I smoked it, I got weed laced with heroin and weed laced with cocaine. I've also heard it being laced with ecstasy. I am all for medicinal and recreational use, for those that choose to, but I am not ok with a nursing Mom doing it for recreation. The fact is, unless you grew it yourself, you run the risk of getting laced shit and you really have no idea what is in it.

[Marysmom]

This is a NO-BRAINER question. And my answer is HELL NO! Buying, possessing, and doing drugs is illegal. Not only do you risk you and your baby's health by ingesting drugs, you are putting yourself in the inherent dangers associated with criminal activity!

[Crabbie]

I didn't vote.

I have no problem with weed in general. There are too many different circumstances for me to have a solid yes or no answer.

[SingingMom]

There are circumstances under which I could understand a nursing mom using a little marijuana. The world has interesting gray areas, and I can easily imagine situations in which the risk of a small amount of marijuana being the lesser of several evils.

But in general, no. I would never run the risk of having an illegal drug show up in my baby's body. Wouldn't take the risk that it might harm the baby, wouldn't take the risk of losing my baby. Not worth it.

[ColleenF30]

I voted yes. I have friends who use it occasionally for medical purposes, and live in a medical mary-jane state. One breastfeeds. Healthwise the effects aren't much different than a cig. I had a doc recommend me to smoke (even though it isn't legal here) to try to help keep my bi polar under better control since conventional meds don't do anything but make me a zombie. I didn't, but I can always move to a medical state, and use it legally.

[Bohemian]

I would not choose to take any unnecessary drug while breastfeeding an infant, not prescription, over the counter, legal or illegal.

However, I voted yes because I can think of several circumstances that I wouldn't have issue with but really it depends on the age of the nursing child, the frequency of usage, if in a country where it's legal or not, is it for medicinal reasons?

If someone was using pot for medicinal purposes it wouldn't bother me. If someone was in a country where it's legal and smoked a joint on occasion while nursing a toddler, it wouldn't bother me. I just can't muster up the shock and horror when imo, smoking pot isn't worse than a glass or wine or a narcotic pain pill. Both which are done not only while nursing but while pregnant. Although as I said, I'd choose to go drug free if possible for pregnancy and nursing.

[nikkifaith]

The shock and horror and holier-than-thou is where it is at, man.

[Aeonkat]

I wouldn't smoke while breastfeeding or pregnant, but I would any other time. I also don't drink alcohol or consume caffeine during those times either.

I find it HILARIOUS that many wouldn't smoke weed but would drink alcohol.

[cc1003]

I find it HILARIOUS that many wouldn't smoke weed but would drink alcohol.

Why is that?

[BoobySnacks]

I did not vote either. I have nothing against weed as I have had my share of weed in my 20's. I personally have not chosen to toke during my pregnancies or during breastfeeding, but I can't imagine that the effects are worse than alcohol and I would not be judgemental of the occasional user. I don't feel it is any more of my business than if I were to see them having an occasional coctail and know that they are a breastfeeding mom.

[KerryS]

Hell no. Not because I think occasional marijuana is dangerous to the breastfed baby, but because in the US it's illegal, and if it's found in the mother's or baby's system, the baby can be removed from the home. I think it's a stupid, irresponsible, reckless choice.

If pot were legal in the US, I would not have a problem with a breastfeeding woman having the *occasional* joint.

[KerryS]

I find it HILARIOUS that many wouldn't smoke weed but would drink alcohol.

Why is that hilarious? Alcohol is not illegal.

[KerryS]

i hear that it goes to there poop and pee.

It does. Maternal marijuana intake can be detectable in the baby's system.

[nikkifaith]

Marijuana is not always illegal, either. I believe Kat was referring to those who weren't speaking to the illegality issue.

[KerryS]

I believe Kat was referring to those who weren't speaking to the illegality issue.

Oh, that wasn't clear from her post.

I was under the assumption everyone was referring to recreational use, which would be illegal in our country.

[Tweet]

No. I would not risk the possible health ramifications for the baby and there is no way I'd want to risk having my child taken from me should it ever show up.

[Tweet]

It's not illegal medicinally in my state, but I don't know how they treat pregnant and breastfeeding patients. And I'm answering for myself and my comfort level. I'd think it unwise for anyone else mostly because of the legality of it and it not being worth having a child removed from the home. I don't doubt the therapeutic aspects of marijuana ,however, and would not be quick to judge someone that did do it while bfing.

[Sadalsuud]

Medical marijuana is legal in Colorado. It is one of the reasons my aunt moved my cousin here. He spent close to 10 years going through medication after medication to try and manage his seizures. A strain of marijuana that is seizure specific (don't remember exactly, I'm not a doc) is the only thing that helps him.

I do not agree with smoking street marijuana when pregnant or breastfeeding (or certain other times), because it is likely to be mixed with something else.

[nikkifaith]

I do not think it is likely. People sell drugs, not give them away.

[rock__]

I wouldn't smoke pot because I am not familiar with the risks to the breastfeeding infant, and as it's illegal, am not interested in trying to find all the information on that I would need to make me comfortable.

Mostly I would not risk losing my child because of it, since it is illegal.

But there is also the risk of buying street drugs in general, as it's not regulated at all.

None of that is speaking of for medicinal use. I'm not in the position to need it for medicine, nor do I think it's legal here anyhow. For other's I'd leave to them and their doctors to figure out what's safe for baby.

I *do* drink alchohol while nursing, and I don't think it's hypoctrical. It's legal, it's regulated, except for the beer DH makes which I trust as much if not more thatn what I could buy from a store. I'm more nervous about doing so while pregnant though, so I don't in general. But I have been known to have a glass of wine late in pregnancy, as well. I think I've had a total of 4 glasses of wine during all of my pregnancies.

[pawprint]

When I was sick with my parasite I smoked pot I think three times over that 9 month period where I was on the verge of vomiting every minute of my life. I was EBFing at the time. I probably would have done so more frequently had I had access. I was starving and I would eat then. I'd puke it up once it wore off, and even then I didn't' feel normal. Just less nauseous. I don;t regret it and don't give a shit who has a problem with it to be honest.

[BeachMama]

I never did, but I don't really see it as a huge deal. Unless you meant smoking pot and nursing at the same time.

I also don't have an issue w/ a breastfeeding mother who has the occasional drink or cigarette.

[KerryS]

I do not think it is likely. People sell drugs, not give them away.

I know, right?

Every time I've purchased marijuana, I've known exactly where it came from (in fact, the last time I smoked pot, it was organically, hydroponically grown, and the smoothest weed I've EVER had). I've never met a pot distributer who would mix pot with other drugs. Personally, I think it's mostly an urban legend/cautionary tale to scare people away from smoking pot.

[cc1003]

When I was sick with my parasite I smoked pot I think three times over that 9 month period where I was on the verge of vomiting every minute of my life. I was EBFing at the time. I probably would have done so more frequently had I had access. I was starving and I would eat then. I'd puke it up once it wore off, and even then I didn't' feel normal. Just less nauseous. I don;t regret it and don't give a shit who has a problem with it to be honest.

The way I understood it, the OP was speaking of recreational use. There are a million scenarios where probably everything could be justified I suppose.

But I don't think she was talking about medicinal purposes.

Although, I guess I could judge you just to start our feud of '09 right? :p

[pawprint]

The way I understood it, the OP was speaking of recreational use. There are a million scenarios where probably everything could be justified I suppose.

But I don't think she was talking about medicinal purposes.

Although, I guess I could judge you just to start our feud of '09 right? :p


ROFL. It's February already- you're slacking!

Actually I don't think that would work, anyway. I can't muster a give a damn. ;) Even if you told me I was a horrible mother or an addict or something I couldn't work up the energy to argue about it because that was such a dark period I try not to think about it too much. Also because nobody, not anybody was in my shoes and knew what it was like then to be the mother of a newborn, starving to death, constantly sick and scared shitless because I didn't know what was wrong with me. Nobody on the planet earth is qualified to make a judgment on that situation, so I'd blow off anyone who bothered to try.

[HammBugga]

I know, right?

Every time I've purchased marijuana, I've known exactly where it came from (in fact, the last time I smoked pot, it was organically, hydroponically grown, and the smoothest weed I've EVER had). I've never met a pot distributer who would mix pot with other drugs. Personally, I think it's mostly an urban legend/cautionary tale to scare people away from smoking pot. It's not really. Like I said, I have gotten laced weed before. Of course, it was laced by the people I was smoking with but still.

[Sadalsuud]

I was just going by what my sister told me, that when she used to deal, it was common for her and other dealers she knew to mix something else in with the pot to try and get them onto harder stuff so that the dealer would make more money.

[nikkifaith]

Your sister sounds stupid. Or like she watches too much tv.

[BoobySnacks]

I also have to add that I have NEVER bought laced weed from anyone and I have bought it in some strange places considering I followed the Grateful Dead 3 summers. NikkiFaith is right, people sell drugs, not give them away...I guess you could get laced weed if you were looking for it specifically and were willing to pay the extra cash LOL Most times, the person who rolled it or packed it is the one who laced it and in that case, be cautious of who you smoke with as much as who you get it from. :p

[KerryS]

I was just going by what my sister told me, that when she used to deal, it was common for her and other dealers she knew to mix something else in with the pot to try and get them onto harder stuff so that the dealer would make more money.

SOmeone *very* close to me who used to deal when he was young and dumb completely scoffs at the idea that pot is laced with "harder" stuff. I suppose it's *possible* but I think it's very very rare.

First, you'd be giving away valuable inventory. Secondly, if it's laced, unbeknownst to the purchaser, they wouldn't know they were smoking harder stuff. Most potheads who are dealers don't deal with harder stuff anyway.

[cc1003]

ROFL. It's February already- you're slacking!

Actually I don't think that would work, anyway. I can't muster a give a damn. ;) Even if you told me I was a horrible mother or an addict or something I couldn't work up the energy to argue about it because that was such a dark period I try not to think about it too much. Also because nobody, not anybody was in my shoes and knew what it was like then to be the mother of a newborn, starving to death, constantly sick and scared shitless because I didn't know what was wrong with me. Nobody on the planet earth is qualified to make a judgment on that situation, so I'd blow off anyone who bothered to try.

I can definitely agree with this.

[Sadalsuud]

She was obviously stupid for getting into what she got into. But, like I said, I'm only going by what she told me she and other dealers she knew did. Jeesh.

[QuiltyConscience]

Eh, I don't really worry too much about who else is smoking weed or why or if they should. I just don't want to invite possible trouble in my life over a joint. DH could lose his job - our lifestyle, insurance, retirement plans, legal trouble - no thanks. Life is complicated enough without borrowing trouble. .

I never messed with it, so I don't miss it or even really get the appeal. I wouldn't even know where to get any.

[MrsKitty]

FWIW... the dealers houses I frequented had alot of everything, and they didn't mix it. They would laugh at people who asked about laced pot, or ecstasy with cocaine or heroine in it. You don't give expensive inventory away. There are much easier ways to get people hooked on things then risking handing away your expensive merchandise with "free samples" that people don't even know they are getting.

[QuiltyConscience]

That doesn't sound like the kind of people I would want to associate with in any fashion. I mean, really? "Yay, my drug dealer won't lace my pot with herion because it's too pricey, so no worries, I can buy my weed with confidence . "

Why would someone with kids even want to frequent such a place? How can one even justify supporting drug dealers who deal hard drugs?

[maksmom]

Eh, I don't really worry too much about who else is smoking weed or why or if they should. I just don't want to invite possible trouble in my life over a joint. DH could lose his job - our lifestyle, insurance, retirement plans, legal trouble - no thanks. Life is complicated enough without borrowing trouble. .

I never messed with it, so I don't miss it or even really get the appeal. I wouldn't even know where to get any.


This is exactly how I feel.

And to clarify, my comment about being shocked and wondering about those who had voted yes, was in reference to the trollish nature of the OP and poster.

[SingingMom]

That doesn't sound like the kind of people I would want to associate with in any fashion. I mean, really? "Yay, my drug dealer won't lace my pot with herion because it's too pricey, so no worries, I can buy my weed with confidence . "

Why would someone with kids even want to frequent such a place? How can one even justify supporting drug dealers who deal hard drugs?


Seriously.

I live in a rougher neighborhood, I guess. From my perspective, I really wish that all the dealers' customers would go away. Living with drug dealers and the mess that surrounds them doesn't make illegal drugs attractive.

Watching the teen prostitutes work the street isn't attractive, either, and watching the men who supply them with drugs makes one's gorge rise.

Watching the kids of the addicts and the dealers isn't pretty, either.

[MrsKitty]

I wasn't celebrating anything, just sharing my experiences. Several people mentioned they would be worried the pot was laced with something. I was saying it likely wasn't, it does not make sence, and in my experiences I have ran across several dealers who scoffed at that idea. I don't think it is very common to lace pot with other drugs, unless you are specifically looking for pot laced with other drugs.

I don't know why anyone with children would want to go near a place like that, and risk their children. I would imagine some are addicts, some are stupid and don't really think there is a risk, and some just don't care at all. I don't really know why anyone with children would risk being associated with drugs in any form, hard or soft.

How can one justify supporting drug dealers who deal hard drugs? I imagine its pretty easy if you are a hard drug user. I don't think anyone was justifying supporting drug dealers.

[Ilovemonkeys]

I've had a few people tell me they unknowingly smoked pot that had been laced with stronger stuff.

I also know people that would pad it out with Oregano. I guess if you're selling to stupid kids you can get away with that.

[QuiltyConscience]

Hm. How else does one get pot if not buying it from a dealer? I'm sure there are people who grow it themselves and or those who only deal with shiny happy weed and don't mess with any of the harder stuff, but no matter how you look at it, buying an illegal drug is indeed supporting a drug dealer. Even the "nice" drug dealers are still drug dealers.

[still_me]

When I did smoke (occasionally) I never smoked anything laced. I do know people who smoked pot in bowls that previously had opium smoked it it. Isn't the same thing as lacing, but you get the same outcome.

[steelady]

Hm. How else does one get pot if not buying it from a dealer? I'm sure there are people who grow it themselves and or those who only deal with shiny happy weed and don't mess with any of the harder stuff, but no matter how you look at it, buying an illegal drug is indeed supporting a drug dealer. Even the "nice" drug dealers are still drug dealers.


By that reasoning, going to the pharmacy is supporting a drug dealer-and I don't have a problem with saying that. Just something that struck me as funny.

IME, and most of this is with older pot smokers who are also professionals (meaning engineers, lawyers, IT folks), there is usually one or two who grow and sell to friends as a means of supporting the growing-not so much to make a profit but to cover the added cost of growing. Sort of like a cooperative. In general, these are people who generally don't do any harder stuff-just pot, so I guess they would qualify as "shiny happy weed".

Just like beer, wine and cigars, there is a snobbiness to a segment of growers/users-sort of like designer pot-with organic growing methods, taste means something (not just high), etc.

[QuiltyConscience]

By that reasoning, going to the pharmacy is supporting a drug dealer-and I don't have a problem with saying that. Just something that struck me as funny.

To clarify: By selling illegal drugs I mean selling illegal drugs in an illegal manner. I would think that point would be obvious. It feels a little ridiculous to even clarify it..

I can't just go to my local pharmacy and just ask for Synthroid and get it. I can't get Vicodin, those aren't illegal drugs, they are restricted.

I know of no Legal pharmacy where one can just pop in to pick up some meth or crack. Those drugs are illegal.


When I buy something at a pharmacy I have to have a prescription. That would make it legal for me to purchase it. . Pharmacies have some reasonable control over who they can sell their product to, and how that product must be stored, produced, etc. In some areas one can get a prescription for marijuana, and I really have no idea where they get that but when they do It's legal to obtain, no?

So no, an illegal drug dealer who will sell herion,crack, meth or weed to anyone who ponies up the cash and a controlled pharmacy requiring a prescription to buy legal controlled substances really aren't the same thing here.


IME, and most of this is with older pot smokers who are also professionals (meaning engineers, lawyers, IT folks), there is usually one or two who grow and sell to friends as a means of supporting the growing-not so much to make a profit but to cover the added cost of growing. Sort of like a cooperative. In general, these are people who generally don't do any harder stuff-just pot, so I guess they would qualify as "shiny happy weed".

Just like beer, wine and cigars, there is a snobbiness to a segment of growers/users-sort of like designer pot-with organic growing methods, taste means something (not just high), etc.

Yep, that's the sort of thing I would classify as Shiny Happy Weed. Not really even on my list of concerns, yet still not something I would personally want to fool with.

[steelady]

To clarify: By selling illegal drugs I mean selling illegal drugs in an illegal manner. I would think that point would be obvious. It feels a little ridiculous to even clarify it..

I can't just go to my local pharmacy and just ask for Synthroid and get it. I can't get Vicodin, those aren't illegal drugs, they are restricted.

I know of no Legal pharmacy where one can just pop in to pick up some meth or crack. Those drugs are illegal.


When I buy something at a pharmacy I have to have a prescription. That would make it legal for me to purchase it. . Pharmacies have some reasonable control over who they can sell their product to, and how that product must be stored, produced, etc. In some areas one can get a prescription for marijuana, and I really have no idea where they get that but when they do It's legal to obtain, no?

So no, an illegal drug dealer who will sell herion,crack, meth or weed to anyone who ponies up the cash and a controlled pharmacy requiring a prescription to buy legal controlled substances really aren't the same thing here.



Yep, that's the sort of thing I would classify as Shiny Happy Weed. Not really even on my list of concerns, yet still not something I would personally want to fool with.

Quilty-I was being somewhat tongue in cheek. If a drug dealer is someone who sells drugs, a pharmacist is a drug dealer, by definition. Do I really think pharmacists are Drug Dealers, no. Just something that struck me as funny, which is why I said it struck me as funny.

In some ways, there is little difference between pharmacists and Drug Dealers, except pharmacists get the added protection of having a doctor right up the RX. I do not for one minute believe that every medicine dispensed by a pharmacist goes entirely to treat a real condition. Doctor shopping and rx's that shouldn't be made are not the responsibility of the pharmacist, though.

[RaisingThemLeft]

Hell no. Not because I think occasional marijuana is dangerous to the breastfed baby, but because in the US it's illegal, and if it's found in the mother's or baby's system, the baby can be removed from the home. I think it's a stupid, irresponsible, reckless choice.

If pot were legal in the US, I would not have a problem with a breastfeeding woman having the *occasional* joint.

In CA, the penalty for posession of less than 1 oz of pot is $100 or less and no jail time. That makes pot less illegal than speeding. I got caught speeding and they didn't take my kids.

While I wouldn't smoke pot and nurse a tiny baby who still nurses round the clock, I'd feel comfortable with occasional pot smoking while still nursing a toddler. I don't think that nursing while smoking pot is any better or worse than nursing while drinking alcohol.

A lot of people on this thread are quite reactionary without much evidence to back up their overzealousness.

[RaisingThemLeft]

By that reasoning, going to the pharmacy is supporting a drug dealer-and I don't have a problem with saying that. Just something that struck me as funny.

IME, and most of this is with older pot smokers who are also professionals (meaning engineers, lawyers, IT folks), there is usually one or two who grow and sell to friends as a means of supporting the growing-not so much to make a profit but to cover the added cost of growing. Sort of like a cooperative. In general, these are people who generally don't do any harder stuff-just pot, so I guess they would qualify as "shiny happy weed".

Just like beer, wine and cigars, there is a snobbiness to a segment of growers/users-sort of like designer pot-with organic growing methods, taste means something (not just high), etc.

This is the type of scenario that I'm more familiar with. I wouldn't smoke something that possibly came from Mexico with pesticides sprayed all over it.

[KerryS]

In CA, the penalty for posession of less than 1 oz of pot is $100 or less and no jail time. That makes pot less illegal than speeding. I got caught speeding and they didn't take my kids.

But I'm guessing that if your breastfeeding child were found to have marijuana in his/her system, even in CA, it would be cause for CPS to become involved in your life. Again, I think it's a stupid, irresponsible risk.

[QuiltyConscience]

In CA, the penalty for posession of less than 1 oz of pot is $100 or less and no jail time. That makes pot less illegal than speeding. I got caught speeding and they didn't take my kids.

While I wouldn't smoke pot and nurse a tiny baby who still nurses round the clock, I'd feel comfortable with occasional pot smoking while still nursing a toddler. I don't think that nursing while smoking pot is any better or worse than nursing while drinking alcohol.

A lot of people on this thread are quite reactionary without much evidence to back up their overzealousness.

What would be overzealous about simply not thinking it's a good idea and not wanting to smoke pot while nursing? Or at any other time for that matter?

What exactly is reactionary?

I don't need a lot of evidence to know that I wouldn't want to participate in naked alligator 'rasslin either. Sometimes, stuff just doesn't sound like a good idea.

[SingingMom]

But I'm guessing that if your breastfeeding child were found to have marijuana in his/her system, even in CA, it would be cause for CPS to become involved in your life. Again, I think it's a stupid, irresponsible risk.


Yup. Here's the thing- it's legal in CA to use pot for medicinal purposes. It is, however, still illegal under federal law. If the feds catch you they will charge you. Some jurisdictions will prosecute you regardless of the "medicinal marijuana" law.

I think it's silly to risk any kind of grief over something like pot. Argue about it, vote on it, sure. But risk custody of your kids over it? Why would anyone make that choice?

If the state has a reason to test a newborn for drug exposure and pot is all they find, I would bet that CPS would be interested.

And many of us here in CA have criticisms of the "medical marijuana" position. I know several people who found a doctor to write them a prescription for what looks a lot like recreational use. They're just trying to obtain a legal fig leaf.

Also, one of my big concerns is that the people I know well who use marijuana consistently underreport their use and deny use of anything else, even when I know for a fact that they are self-delusional. And even when I know FOR A FACT that they are using other drugs. It does tend to jaundice one's view towards folks who want to smoke pot while nursing.

I am not rabidly anti-pot. I don't much care one way or the other if a grown adult wants to get high on the ganja. It would be fine with me if it were legal. But I am automatically suspicious of people who want to smoke while nursing, because of my past experiences with people who thought this was a fine idea.

[RaisingThemLeft]

What exactly is reactionary?



I think this about covers it:


I don't mean to be ugly or judgmental but who the hell voted yes??

Care to elaborate on your decision?


I would say absolutely not!!! how could anyone think of doing something so stupid when they have a precious little being in there arms? When it comes to children and smoking around them and doing drugs around them, especially while BFing? It really angers me! I think some people need to grow up and take care of their responsibilities rather than worrying about smoking.

Just saying....


Ive gone threw so much with ds, and gone threw so much just trying to have one more baby. I cant help but be a little put off that a mother would do anything to risk their child. perhaps its just me coming from my stressed out world here.


I'm so annoyed by the thought that it would be okay! I mean, to break it down to my thought process, alcohol leaves your system in a few hours. If you took a "alcohol test" a couple of days after you had a glass of wine, it wouldn't show up.

However, if you took a drug test a week after smoking weed, it would be there.

I'll just say this; it would take a real piece of work to feel comfortable smoking weed and nursing.


I'm shocked that eight people said yes! Yet no one is standing up for their decision....makes me wonder....


NO! Not OK!

I don't even care to speak to anyone who smokes weed when they aren't BF'ing (or does any type of illegal drug or abuse drugs prescribed to them).

It sickens me!


This is a NO-BRAINER question. And my answer is HELL NO! Buying, possessing, and doing drugs is illegal. Not only do you risk you and your baby's health by ingesting drugs, you are putting yourself in the inherent dangers associated with criminal activity!

[RaisingThemLeft]

Might I reccommend the documentary Grass? Sheds some light on the way that pot became illegal in the first place. Also, I do think it's a bit over the top to suggest that kids will be taken away. Kids aren't going to get removed from a home because mom and dad smoked a joint in the privacy of their own home late one night.

[steelady]

Might I reccommend the documentary Grass? Sheds some light on the way that pot became illegal in the first place. Also, I do think it's a bit over the top to suggest that kids will be taken away. Kids aren't going to get removed from a home because mom and dad smoked a joint in the privacy of their own home late one night.


I don't disagree with you for my location (and maybe yours), but in some parts of the country I would say the chances are not zero.

Everyone has their own comfort level.

[foxinsocks]

I voted yes. I don't think its a big deal if its once in a while, as in the question for this poll. To each his own, I wont get all worked up about it...
Easy skankin'

[rock__]

My concern isn't so much about marijuana itself. I'm personally in favor of it being legalized and have said much in the past. I've smoked myself, and no I don't consider it to be "that bad". Not that great either. Certainly not worth the posibility that it being found in my child's urine could cause problems for me and my family. Just plain not worth it. I've got plenty of other ways to entertain myself without pot, so it's just not worth my time or energy to really even consider.

[MrsKitty]

Also, I do think it's a bit over the top to suggest that kids will be taken away. Kids aren't going to get removed from a home because mom and dad smoked a joint in the privacy of their own home late one night.

I am going to disagree with you there. I live in Vancouver B.C.
You can pretty much walk down the street downtown smoking a joint and no one is going to make a fuss. The steps of the art gallery are coverd with pot smokers EVERY day. We have cafes where you can go to smoke pot. You can't buy it there but they are specifically made to smoke marajuana.

My friend had her baby taken away from her, permanently, for having marajuana in her blood stream. I followed her case very closely and read all her court documents (I bring this up only because I keep being told that I must not know all the details..the details were all there in the papers). Someone reported her FALSELY for buying/using hard drugs. She had a history of drug use, BEFORE the baby was born. They took the baby away, and then did a drug test. The drug test showed NONE of the hard drugs she was accused of taking. It did show marajuana. She is never going to see her son again, its been over two years now.

[KerryS]

Might I reccommend the documentary Grass? Sheds some light on the way that pot became illegal in the first place. Also, I do think it's a bit over the top to suggest that kids will be taken away. Kids aren't going to get removed from a home because mom and dad smoked a joint in the privacy of their own home late one night.

But the child may indeed be taken away if the child has the illegal drug in his/her system. It's one thing to smoke a joint, it's a far different thing to directly expose an infant to illegal drugs! Yes, I would say that if the BABY tested positive to THC, it could very well result in a CPS investigation and/or foster care.

[tata]

Kids aren't going to get removed from a home because mom and dad smoked a joint in the privacy of their own home late one night.

I'm just going to follow you around on this thread and nod.

'Course, I live in a Commonwealth. I'da felt differently while residing in FL. xSO's mom went to jail for having a few seeds in her ashtray in FL. I was busted here just after turning 18 with near an ounce and got a citation and 10 hours community service.

I understand (and personally agree) that it's not a worthwhile risk for a lot of people, but I'm not going to think any less of a mama for tokin' a jay once in a while. *shrug*

[newbie]

But the child may indeed be taken away if the child has the illegal drug in his/her system. It's one thing to smoke a joint, it's a far different thing to directly expose an infant to illegal drugs! Yes, I would say that if the BABY tested positive to THC, it could very well result in a CPS investigation and/or foster care.


Same thing could be said about alcohol, sure it is legal, but if it was found in your childs system I'm sure CPS would be knocking on your door.
What is the difference of drinking, and pumping and dumping, vs smoking weed & pumping and dumping?

[Tweet]

Hm. How else does one get pot if not buying it from a dealer? I'm sure there are people who grow it themselves and or those who only deal with shiny happy weed and don't mess with any of the harder stuff, but no matter how you look at it, buying an illegal drug is indeed supporting a drug dealer. Even the "nice" drug dealers are still drug dealers.


People around here grow it themselves and are generally allowed to do so for medical reasons (though I'm sure there are some that do it illegally ,too) . I know one guy in particular that will give some to his friends , but he's not a known dealer for just everyone and their dog to come by.I think he gives to two people. I could likely tell him my fibro was bothering me and get some since I know him. So, I 'spose he's a part time dealer? Anyway, he doesn't mess around with harder things.

And back in the day, I smoked pot daily. The people I bought from were only pot dealers and didn't lace with anything or sell any other drugs. They had regular college apartments ..no typical drug houses (unfortunately, I'd know the difference sine *I* messed with the hard stuff..the pot dealers didn't,though. I'm guessing they weren't feeling so motivated,maybe) And there might be someone that someone in this house that I'm married to that sold to their best friend and that could be even how we met. Maybe. Anywho, just saying IME the pot dealers I knew were basically the shiny happy hippie type that didn't mess with harder stuff. Once in awhile you might could score some mushrooms, but I don't put that in the"harder drugs" category. Maybe I should :confused:

The only time I saw pot being laced or mixed with anything was when the users (not dealers) put cocaine on a joint and one chick put mushrooms on her pot in a bong. There was one very weird time that I got some mushrooms from someone that HAD to have laced them..they were just too weird. He was a chem. student so I have a sneaking suspicion he was into mixing all kinds of weird stuff.

I can't say I MISS it, but sometimes I wish I had a medical card just so I could use it for my nausea and pain associated with the fibro. Honestly, the reason I haven't gone to get one is because I wouldn't want to sneak it and what would I tell my children? I might feel differently if we didn't have such strong addiction issues in both of our families, but it is what it is..I don't want to risk it.

Sorry for my side rant..carry on,people!Basically, I get what Ms Kitty is saying

[QuiltyConscience]

Might I reccommend the documentary Grass? Sheds some light on the way that pot became illegal in the first place. Also, I do think it's a bit over the top to suggest that kids will be taken away. Kids aren't going to get removed from a home because mom and dad smoked a joint in the privacy of their own home late one night.

maybe, maybe not. But I don't get risking it. What if you get caught buying it? Speed a little on the way home and have some in your car?

As for some of the statements that were "reactionary", I can understand why people feel the way they do about pot. I've sen people on this board get way more reactionary over cigarette smoking.

One of Dh coworker's went for a routine drug test at work and popped positive for pot and lost his job. It ain't too easy to get a decent job after you've been fired from a fed position for drugs. he fucked up his entire career over a stupid joint.

A friend of mine was traveling to Forida with her boyfriend and her two kids. Boyfriend had weed on him. They were pulled over for speeding, boyfriend tried to dump the weed out the door, and the cop saw him. She had all kinds of hassles over it.

And really, who wants to live next door to a drug dealer? I ask sincerely, because 2 doors down lives a dealer and I'd like for him to have a place to go where he'd be welcome. The whole neighborhood hates his ass. I'd rather not have his clientele driving by my house, and really don't care much for ATF guys running through my yard with weapons. Not so cool.

So maybe one wouldn't lose their kids, but I just don't get taking the chance of all the stupid stuff that is associated with weed. I can understand why people wouldn't want to invite that sort of problem into their lives.

[KerryS]

What is the difference of drinking, and pumping and dumping, vs smoking weed & pumping and dumping?

Who said anything about pumping and dumping though? If it's in the child's system, then clearly the mother is NOT pumping and dumping, and that is my concern. If the mother takes an illegal recreational drug and then nurses her baby so that the drug is in the baby's system, the child can be removed from the home. Argue it all you want, but what I just stated is a FACT.

I have no problem with a woman pumping and dumping so that her baby is not directly exposed to her illegal drug use. I DO have a problem with a woman taking a stupid, foolish risk with her child's life for a *high*. Again, I'll repeat my point because it seems to continually be getting lost - I'm not saying that someone would have their child removed from their home if they smoke a joint. They MAY INDEED have their child removed from the home for introducing illegal drugs into their infant's body, which is a totally different ball of wax.

[SingingMom]

I'm with you, Kerry. I don't see the point of getting high when you risk custody of your baby. If you want to get high that badly, you need your head checked.

It's not about what I think about weed. It's about the situation. It IS illegal at the moment; I have to wonder why anyone would risk it? Smoke all you want, knock yourself out. Grow it, eat it, I don't care. But I don't think pot use is worth risking your kid over.

[Tweet]

Same thing could be said about alcohol, sure it is legal, but if it was found in your childs system I'm sure CPS would be knocking on your door.
What is the difference of drinking, and pumping and dumping, vs smoking weed & pumping and dumping?


I'm not Kerry, but I think Kerry is talking about the legality of it, assuming it's in fact in a state where it's illegal to be smoking it and the mom does not have a card..and likeI said upthread, I'm unsure of how it's handled medicinally with a pregnant or bfing mother.Anyway, I don't think Kerry is arguing other than the fact that since it's illegal, it could certainly result in a visit from CPS if it showed up in a baby. That's what I got from it,anyway

[Tweet]

I'm with you, Kerry. I don't see the point of getting high when you risk custody of your baby. If you want to get high that badly, you need your head checked.

It's not about what I think about weed. It's about the situation. It IS illegal at the moment; I have to wonder why anyone would risk it? Smoke all you want, knock yourself out. Grow it, eat it, I don't care. But I don't think pot use is worth risking your kid over.


But it *isn't* illegal everywhere. Now, I am assuming that in my state( and as I've stated,it is legal here for medicinal purpose to both grow and use) that it is illegal for a pregnant mother, but I don't know for sure. But, for the people here that can legally do it, CPS is not an issue where that is concerned.

[RaisingThemLeft]

maybe, maybe not. But I don't get risking it. What if you get caught buying it? Speed a little on the way home and have some in your car?

As for some of the statements that were "reactionary", I can understand why people feel the way they do about pot. I've sen people on this board get way more reactionary over cigarette smoking.

One of Dh coworker's went for a routine drug test at work and popped positive for pot and lost his job. It ain't too easy to get a decent job after you've been fired from a fed position for drugs. he fucked up his entire career over a stupid joint.

A friend of mine was traveling to Forida with her boyfriend and her two kids. Boyfriend had weed on him. They were pulled over for speeding, boyfriend tried to dump the weed out the door, and the cop saw him. She had all kinds of hassles over it.

And really, who wants to live next door to a drug dealer? I ask sincerely, because 2 doors down lives a dealer and I'd like for him to have a place to go where he'd be welcome. The whole neighborhood hates his ass. I'd rather not have his clientele driving by my house, and really don't care much for ATF guys running through my yard with weapons. Not so cool.

So maybe one wouldn't lose their kids, but I just don't get taking the chance of all the stupid stuff that is associated with weed. I can understand why people wouldn't want to invite that sort of problem into their lives.

If I get caught with it, I get a $100 fine. It's decriminalized in my state. For less than 1 oz., that is.

I pointed out the reactionary posts not because you had said that you understood them but because you said you didn't know which posts I was talking about.

If you have a job where they do random drug tests, you can NOT smoke pot, that's pretty obvious. Dh had a job like that and definatly would have gotton fired had he been smoking pot- he wasn't.

As for drug houses and guns and all the rest, that is not my scene so I can't speak to that. I am certainly not defending that at all, nor am I dealing drugs, nor obtaining them from drug houses.

[RaisingThemLeft]

But it *isn't* illegal everywhere. Now, I am assuming that in my state( and as I've stated,it is legal here for medicinal purpose to both grow and use) that it is illegal for a pregnant mother, but I don't know for sure. But, for the people here that can legally do it, CPS is not an issue where that is concerned.

I'm not sure there is really anything that is illegal for a pregnant woman that isn't illegal for the rest of society. I mean, I don't think smoking pot is MORE illegal for a pg woman than it is for anyone else. Even drinking isn't illegal for a pg woman, it's just not reccommended. Maybe if something were to happen to your baby as a result of smoking pot or using other drugs, then she could be charged with a crime of some sort. Child endangerment perhaps.

[steelady]

I'm not sure there is really anything that is illegal for a pregnant woman that isn't illegal for the rest of society. I mean, I don't think smoking pot is MORE illegal for a pg woman than it is for anyone else. Even drinking isn't illegal for a pg woman, it's just not reccommended. Maybe if something were to happen to your baby as a result of smoking pot or using other drugs, then she could be charged with a crime of some sort. Child endangerment perhaps.

I don't think there is any charges, though if a child is born with drugs in his/her system, I think CPS will take the child away.

Until fetus's get the same rights as breathing children (and I, personally don't feel they should) a pregnant woman would not be charged-at least I don't thinks so prior to viability.

[KerryS]

I'm not sure there is really anything that is illegal for a pregnant woman that isn't illegal for the rest of society. I mean, I don't think smoking pot is MORE illegal for a pg woman than it is for anyone else. Even drinking isn't illegal for a pg woman, it's just not reccommended. Maybe if something were to happen to your baby as a result of smoking pot or using other drugs, then she could be charged with a crime of some sort. Child endangerment perhaps.

The courts and CPS do tend to look more harshly upon women who smoke, drink and do illegal drugs during pregnancy.

Also, because you've said this a few times, I feel the need to point out that there is no such thing as "less illegal" and "more illegal." Because an offense warrants a lesser charge and penalty doesn't make it any less illegal than another offense which would bring a stiffer penalty. Illegal is illegal.

Until fetus's get the same rights as breathing children (and I, personally don't feel they should) a pregnant woman would not be charged-at least I don't thinks so prior to viability.

I've personally known of cases where a judge has ordered a pregnant woman to prison during the remainder of her pregnancy, due to her use of illegal drugs. She goes into labor in prison, the prison guards escort her to the L&D department (and wait outside her labor room), and as soon as she gives birth, she's released from custody. Because taking illegal drugs is a crime, they have every basis for charging her and sentencing her to prison. They just usually don't for the average drug abuser/addict. Some judges, though, will choose to do so in order to protect the fetus from further exposure to drugs.

[ColleenF30]

Same thing could be said about alcohol, sure it is legal, but if it was found in your childs system I'm sure CPS would be knocking on your door.
What is the difference of drinking, and pumping and dumping, vs smoking weed & pumping and dumping?

Well lets see...alcohol leaves your system in a matter of hours where mary jane takes up to 30 days. I don't think pump and dump would be much of an option.

[Carolina]

I personally don't have a problem with that. I know plenty of women who have done it and it's not a big deal to me at all.

[graciesmommy]

Heres the thing, marijuana builds up in your fat cells after repeated uses. You could smoke 1 night and drug test clean the next day or the next week if you had not smoked at all in the prior month or so. That is the gray area. If a mom smokes once, pumps and dumps for several hours and then nurses, it is not likely to be in the mom or baby if, for some reason either was tested. I voted yes for this reason. In those circumstances, I don't have a problem with it for a non EBF infant or toddler.

That said, I don't think getting stoned once would ever be worth having CPS in your life, so for me personally, not an option. However, I don't think its fundamentally wrong.

[jessiehannan]

zI can only decide for myself, and I wouldn't do it. Not that I have ever smoked, or ever will.
However, I did kick my best friend and the mother of his child out of my house, because she is an addle brained twit who not only smoked pot, but drank HEAVILY and did cocaine while pregnant.