Internet news--IHMMB shutting down

[JudyJudyJudy]

I know what you mean, lol. I usually just say "the board I post on." :p

[Justicedog]

The number isn't that big of a deal. I could deal with being 43 if my health had not gone to hell.


That could be part of it too. I'm thinking I'd wanted to have lost the weight I need to by the time I hit 40, but, that ain't going to happen and it's not going to get any easier after that. I'm not worried about wrinkles or grey hair.

[JudyJudyJudy]

That could be part of it too. I'm thinking I'd wanted to have lost the weight I need to by the time I hit 40, but, that ain't going to happen and it's not going to get any easier after that. I'm not worried about wrinkles or grey hair.
Other than my eyes, which I think are a giveaway, I don't really look unhealthy. However, in my case, it's what's inside that matters. Also, my hair does bother me, but because of my chemical sensitivities, coloring it is not even a consideration. I can no longer even wear moisturizers, foundation, and blush.

[HammBugga]

I'm almost 29. I don't feel young but I do. My whole life I have been told I am "wise beyond my years". I do have a lot of life ahead of me though. Right now College is kicking my ass. Do you people see me as young or old? Answer honestly, don't just say what you think I want to hear either or I'll choke you out.

[tata]

And then there's that whole, "hey, guess what I read on my... breast... feed... on the internet today?":gig:
"lol9" I call it "bee eff dot com" to DH. To the rest of the world, it's "a forum I frequent."

[tata]

I'm almost 29. I don't feel young but I do. My whole life I have been told I am "wise beyond my years". I do have a lot of life ahead of me though. Right now College is kicking my ass. Do you people see me as young or old? Answer honestly, don't just say what you think I want to hear either or I'll choke you out.
Honestly, I've always thought you were my age, give or take a year. I was close. :p

[JudyJudyJudy]

Y'all are fucking babies, and I'm jealous. :crying:

[Sputterduck]

Judy, I don't see you as old, just older than me. :p And I appreciate it.

Really, though, my roommate is 48 and I tell him he's young all the time. You are younger than him, therefore you are young, right?

[MMof5]

I will be 30 this month and I plan on enjoying every minute of my 30s (best laid plans and all that).

And, if you read my blog, you will see that some of my dreams are starting to come true. What you won't see on my blog---but I'm still thrilled---is that I'm down another 4lbs (I know I said I wouldn't step on the scale again, but...). Another 4 down, 14 to go.

I don't really think of y'all as an age. I think y'all as either liberal or conservative. LOL!

[MMof5]

Oh, and I'd be careful about calling it bf dot com. Nicurn learned her lesson on that one. Snicker.

[MMof5]

I feel all nostalgic now.

I have been at both boards on and off for a year (after my internet-free hiatus) and was here for a few years before that. I stayed not because I am breastfeeding or planning on TTC, but because I made some *friends* here that helped get me through a rough, IRL communicationless existence. A lot has changed for me and I don't rely on the boards nearly as much as I used to, but I don't want to lose those friends from my life, either.

Dulce, TGS (Freshly Squeezed), Nypples, Hidesome, Aulait, Judy, and many, many more (please don't take it personally if your name isn't on the list). I will be able to keep up with ones that post here, but I have don't have time to follow everyone else to other weblands. It bothers me to think that I will lose touch with some. A lot, actually. Makes me realize how much I have become attached to people I don't even truly know. Strange how that happens.

So if you're reading this, don't be a stranger! :)

[Tweet]

I gather the mass exodus was when a bunch of people left and started a new board? Did they leave because of the dumbed down board?

I'm curious if the board was dumber before they left and this other place isn't private, how is it that the other board isn't dumbed down too by the same people that were dumbing it down here? Surely there is a variety of intelligence and lack of at this IHMMB. Unless it's like Mensa and they only let people with a certain IQ in. ;)

This is not addressed to you Judy but I also don't get the sense of this board being a house that people can just crash. It's just a place on the internet to post topics. It's not a house, nobody that is just a poster owns it, and if there were 50 new posters, so what? It's not like the people already here cease to exist or could no longer post how they so choose. I'm sure it would change the dynamics traffic wise because this seems like a fairly slow board but I seriously don't get all the drama in the choice to come back here or not. A board is what you make it. If a large group of "intelligent" people came and started posting "intelligent" topics, it would have a majority of intelligent debate and no longer be a dumbed down board no?

Personally I like the influx of new posters on boards even the trolls. I'd get bored stiff talking to the same old people day after day. Even if they were the smartest bananas in the bunch. ;)


Yes,exactly! This is what I've been saying! I said the other day how I was a member of a small group IRL several years ago. The old timers didn't want to come around because it just wasn't as much "fun" and "there was no one there!". It made absolutely no sense to me because it would indeed change the dynamic again and there would be a ton more people if all the people that were complaining about it actually would come! It's the same thing here. It's what you make of it.

[Tweet]

Nor do I. We have and have had posters who aren't even parents.


Me,either. I haven't breastfed for years now and it doesn't even cross my mind that I shouldn't post here because of it.

[Tweet]

Also, I haven't seen any text message type posting since the wave of trolls. I think the people here are intelligent and post thought provoking discussions. What happens is that it gets slow. That doesn't have a thing to do with age or intellect,imo.

Actually, reading some of the comments here and there about it being "so high school" and "young" and "uneducated" has really upset me all over again,just like it did when people decided the place no longer fit . I'm 36. I'm not dumb and neither is the vast majority that post here. It's just bothersome to me and again, makes me feel paranoid. Besides, age doesn't matter much at all. I've seen some very bright people frequent this board over the years that are quite young.

[boys4us]

Also, I haven't seen any text message type posting since the wave of trolls. I think the people here are intelligent and post thought provoking discussions. What happens is that it gets slow. That doesn't have a thing to do with age or intellect,imo.

I agree with this. I have lurked/posted here for over 4 years. When I first started with the general boards, I got curious to posts referring the debate board. I'd come over here and "watch". Things moved so fast and this was the first board I'd ever joined, so was very intimidated and didn't post on the debates for a long time. I think that people who have more experience posting on boards have a different confidence than many newbies. I also think that a many people's varying degrees of self confidence comes through in their posts. I don't see it as an age thing.

[boys4us]

I forgot to add that I think many of you who are younger than I am, I'm 37, add some of the more interesting/thought provoking posts. I probably won't get back on here until tonight after the kids are in bed. My curiosity on how this post continues and what other new posts may get started are what keep me coming back.:hugegrin:

[janie]

snork.You need to get that looked at.

Seriously, you all (not all of you, but it has been mentioned by a few... is that better?) come down on me for mentioning herd mentality. Well, let's look at Creme. Weren't you pretty much humilitated by the owner over there? I could be getting my posters mixed up, but I don't think so. You could have also deserved it, as I don't know the backstory. ;)

But, why would you then continue to post there? Had Vic said something like that to you, I highly doubt you would have remained at his board for no more than two seconds.

So, something causes people to overlook injustices (is that a word? I'm with dumb), just to stay with their herd. And I'm not suggesting this doesn't happen everywhere, myself included. There is a whole study of psychology for a reason... you can predict how people are going to act. But understanding "why" is often more difficult.

And we're all filled with a set of double standards, that we don't see in ourselves, but see in everyone else.

[janie]

Also, I haven't seen any text message type posting since the wave of trolls. I think the people here are intelligent and post thought provoking discussions. What happens is that it gets slow. That doesn't have a thing to do with age or intellect,imo.

Actually, reading some of the comments here and there about it being "so high school" and "young" and "uneducated" has really upset me all over again,just like it did when people decided the place no longer fit . I'm 36. I'm not dumb and neither is the vast majority that post here. It's just bothersome to me and again, makes me feel paranoid. Besides, age doesn't matter much at all. I've seen some very bright people frequent this board over the years that are quite young.Becoming an "elitist" is both scary and powerful. It has nothing to do with age.

But as you can see(read), eventually many are reduced to rambling fools... no matter what their alleged IQ.

[kasumisniper]

I thought you were all much older. I guess I'm just immature. :)

[Candi]

JD, do you really think you need to be a breastfeeder to post here? I certainly don't.


I don't think is a requirement either. But, as a new poster looking for bfing help, i was a little dissapointed when I came to the forum. There seems to be tons of threads about everything but bfing, and the bfing questions often get very few responses.

Not that there is anything wrong with that per say- just that I was looking for more bfing information and that doesn't seem to be the main purpose of this forum.

[still_me]

I don't think is a requirement either. But, as a new poster looking for bfing help, i was a little dissapointed when I came to the forum. There seems to be tons of threads about everything but bfing, and the bfing questions often get very few responses.

Not that there is anything wrong with that per say- just that I was looking for more bfing information and that doesn't seem to be the main purpose of this forum.


http://www.breastfeeding.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3 Much better to ask questions here.

[Tweet]

You need to get that looked at.

Seriously, you all (not all of you, but it has been mentioned by a few... is that better?) come down on me for mentioning herd mentality. Well, let's look at Creme. Weren't you pretty much humilitated by the owner over there? I could be getting my posters mixed up, but I don't think so. You could have also deserved it, as I don't know the backstory. ;)

But, why would you then continue to post there? Had Vic said something like that to you, I highly doubt you would have remained at his board for no more than two seconds.

So, something causes people to overlook injustices (is that a word? I'm with dumb), just to stay with their herd. And I'm not suggesting this doesn't happen everywhere, myself included. There is a whole study of psychology for a reason... you can predict how people are going to act. But understanding "why" is often more difficult.

And we're all filled with a set of double standards, that we don't see in ourselves, but see in everyone else.


Actually,iirc, Creme put up w/ a lot from Vic it seems. She worked hard at this board for quite some time and I don't ever remember her flouncing off in a snit at the first sign of Vicness. As I remember it,the map debacle was a last straw thing for many,but quite so for Creme. If I'm remembering the right poster. She can correct me if I'm wrong,but I seem to remember her holding on to bfdc for quite a long time.

[HammBugga]

Either way, Creme is a grown woman and she can work through differences and "fights" and come out the other side. That is a sign of maturity that apparently Janie cannot comprehend. It's so much easier for Janie to hold a grudge and think every little thing is a slight against her. Be careful Janie, that could affect your health.

[Meredith]

I don't think is a requirement either. But, as a new poster looking for bfing help, i was a little dissapointed when I came to the forum. There seems to be tons of threads about everything but bfing, and the bfing questions often get very few responses.

Not that there is anything wrong with that per say- just that I was looking for more bfing information and that doesn't seem to be the main purpose of this forum.

In the Debate forum, yes, that's the case. It's a Debate/Discussion forum for all topics. The General breastfeeding forum is meant more for breastfeeding questions, although it doesn't get as much traffic as it used to. People still check in there, though.

[MiMi_of_4]

I'm frickin' older than damn dirt and I've not breastfed a babe since 1982. With the exception of asinine trolls, I feel like everyone brings something to the table here ~ young, old and in-between folks; men & women; those who aren't parents and never plan to be; those who are breastfeeding or have in the past; & those from all walks of life.

I've made some of the best friends I've ever had here over the years and even though I've not been around much since we moved, this is and always will be my "home."

[Ilovemonkeys]

I don't know what this thread is about anymore. It's getting close to being about a furry little red penis. Not quite there yet.

I'm 31 fwiw. STB 31 in 20 days. I was one of the young ones when I started posting here, for a while I was one of the youngest.

[Ilovemonkeys]

And I haven't breastfed since 2006.

[pawprint]

weird- wrong thread

[janie]

Either way, Creme is a grown woman and she can work through differences and "fights" and come out the other side. That is a sign of maturity that apparently Janie cannot comprehend. It's so much easier for Janie to hold a grudge and think every little thing is a slight against her. Be careful Janie, that could affect your health.Always about mental health, aren't ya?

I wasn't talking to you, by the way. I have no interest in your constant off topic nonsense.

[HammBugga]

I wasn't even referring to mental health Janie. I was talking about physical health, particularly blood pressure. Being pissed off all the time is not good for your body.

[HammBugga]

By the way, my comment was completely on topic. You are the one who makes no sense 95% of the time. I am not surprised you think it's me though. In order to go off on your little nonsensical rants you have to actually believe that everyone else isn't making any sense and you are.

Another BTW, if you want to have a personal conversation with someone, that is what pm's are for. If you post something on a thread that a bunch of people are posting on don't be surprised if other people reply to you. That's what a public message board is all about.

[janie]

And you are always repeating the same thing over and over again... I make no sense 95% of the time. Mental health, blah, blah, blah. Then quit reading what I write and responding! It's like you have to keep telling everyone this to make yourself appear better. I get it. You don't have to keep repeating my name over and over and over again. Your friends will not depart from you.

I see you as a very bitter, unhappy person. I am very rarely unhappy. So, stuff a sock in it!!!!

:)

[Candi]

In the Debate forum, yes, that's the case. It's a Debate/Discussion forum for all topics. The General breastfeeding forum is meant more for breastfeeding questions, although it doesn't get as much traffic as it used to. People still check in there, though.


I understand. It's that the general breastfeeding doesn't really get much traffic like you said, and the name of this forum, is breastfeeding.com, so isn't that the main purpose? Not that I really care if most of the people here don't talk about bfing, it's just what I was looking for when I came here.

I like hearing the other discussions, I just wish there was more bf stuff. Not that it matters I guess.

I always click new posts when I visit.

[still_me]

And you are always repeating the same thing over and over again... I make no sense 95% of the time. Mental health, blah, blah, blah. Then quit reading what I write and responding! It's like you have to keep telling everyone this to make yourself appear better. I get it. You don't have to keep repeating my name over and over and over again. Your friends will not depart from you.

I see you as a very bitter, unhappy person. I am very rarely unhappy. So, stuff a sock in it!!!!

:)


Apparently you don't lack in self confidence. She clearly stated for you that she isn't talking about your mental health. Though reading what she wrote, and then this post above does make me giggle.

[still_me]

I understand. It's that the general breastfeeding doesn't really get much traffic like you said, and the name of this forum, is breastfeeding.com, so isn't that the main purpose? Not that I really care if most of the people here don't talk about bfing, it's just what I was looking for when I came here.

I like hearing the other discussions, I just wish there was more bf stuff. Not that it matters I guess.

I always click new posts when I visit.


The name of this forum is "Express Yourself Debate Forum".

[janie]

She has referred to it before. She's just covering her butt because she was reamed for it before. Mental health, physical health... same thing. It's a judgement she makes when she doesn't like somebody.

Typical.

[HammBugga]

Janie, one time I referred to someone's mental health, on another board. Ever since then you bring it up anytime we are debating something. YOU are the one who brings it up and acts like it is I that is bringing it up. The proof of that is right here on this thread, one page back. You do it every single time. It's always "There you go again, bringing someone's mental health into question" when I certainly am not. It's getting old. Please find some new material.

[Candi]

The name of this forum is "Express Yourself Debate Forum".


Ok, well, the name of the board is breastfeeding.com then.

[pawprint]

Ok, well, the name of the board is breastfeeding.com then.


and there are bf forums. Lots of them. this just isn't one of them.

[still_me]

She has referred to it before. She's just covering her butt because she was reamed for it before. Mental health, physical health... same thing. It's a judgement she makes when she doesn't like somebody.

Typical.


I am not aware of her doing this, but it does sound interesting coming from you since you are known for your sheep/lemmings/rat comparisons. Wouldn't that be your judgment when you don't like somebody?

[RaisingThemLeft]

I'm not equating young with dumb. What I'm seeing is people with their lives in front of them rather than behind as I feel mine is. That's what I'm meaning when I'm saying I'm not feeling like I'm fitting in with the younger folks here. There's not even a chance of me having another baby and talking about bfing.

Precisely. I'm 32. I started posting here when I was 23. I'm at a completely different stage of my life now. I feel like I was a different person back then. I don't want the younger, new mom posters to go away. Not at all. I'm just starting to feel like I've outgrown the board. I mean, for the younger posters who are in their early 20's, just starting out marriage and family-do you hang out with 16 yr olds? Probably not. That doesn't mean that 16 yr olds are stupid or not worthy of your time. It just means that you are in a different life phase and maybe don't have that much in common right now.

[RaisingThemLeft]

Candi, I haven't been to any of the bfing forums in years. When I first started posting there though, there was a General breastfeeding forum, a nursing your newborn forum, a pumping forum, a nursing beyond a year forum, etc. If those aren't active anymore, there are also bfing forums at Mothering.com that might be more active. Just a suggestion if you don't find what you're looking for here. I admit I often scroll past things of a bfing nature these days. My youngest is almost 5 and the newborn nursing stuff is not really fresh in my mind. I remember back when bfing was all I ever wanted to talk about though!

[janie]

Janie, one time I referred to someone's mental health, on another board. Ever since then you bring it up anytime we are debating something. YOU are the one who brings it up and acts like it is I that is bringing it up. The proof of that is right here on this thread, one page back. You do it every single time. It's always "There you go again, bringing someone's mental health into question" when I certainly am not. It's getting old. Please find some new material.Go back and read this thread. It was you who first started with the "Janie doesn't make sense 95% of the time"... I believe you even said it twice in this thread. If I were to go on a search, I bet I could find it some more.

So, you yap about me being insulting, but then you preface every thread about me with an insult? Why? It is no different than that which you accuse me of.

I don't think I attempt to personally insult you, but I can if you'd like. I insult in general, but you all insult personally. I fully admit to it and I can give as good as I can get.

But let's not pretend this is all one sided.

[JudyJudyJudy]

I don't really think of y'all as an age. I think y'all as either liberal or conservative. LOL!
I find myself doing that, too. :p


I've made some of the best friends I've ever had here over the years and even though I've not been around much since we moved, this is and always will be my "home."
I've missed you since you've moved. :( I'm better with message boards than with email.


Go back and read this thread. It was you who first started with the "Janie doesn't make sense 95% of the time"... I believe you even said it twice in this thread. If I were to go on a search, I bet I could find it some more.

So, you yap about me being insulting, but then you preface every thread about me with an insult? Why? It is no different than that which you accuse me of.

I don't think I attempt to personally insult you, but I can if you'd like. I insult in general, but you all insult personally. I fully admit to it and I can give as good as I can get.

But let's not pretend this is all one sided.
Nah, this wasn't personal, was it?

I see you as a very bitter, unhappy person. I am very rarely unhappy. So, stuff a sock in it!!!!

:)

[HammBugga]

I am not the only one who thinks that Janie. When one person says it it is probably just their opinion. When two people say it, it could be a coincidence. When 3 or more say it, it is a pattern.

This could be a learning experience for you or you could continue doing what you always do which is deflect and point the finger at everyone else. You often go on tirades that don't make any sense, in context. I am not the only one who thinks this. Many people have been left scratching their heads at your post wondering what you are even talking about.

Of course you will probably just say they are my flunkies and do what I tell them to do (another thing you have accused many times). It is you that is in denial, not I.

[HammBugga]

I am not aware of her doing this, but it does sound interesting coming from you since you are known for your sheep/lemmings/rat comparisons. Wouldn't that be your judgment when you don't like somebody?


I don't do that and I could prove it by going and quoting what I've actually said that's she's accused of "pulling the mental card" about. But I don't have the time to do it right now. She seems to read everything I write and assign meaning to it that is clearly not there just as she has done in this thread.

[Iconoclast]

I turned 48 this year. I don't socialize much 20somethings IRL (except the ones I gave birth to) b/c we don't have much in common, not b/c I think they are intellectually challenged. Ditto internet MBs.

I will never bfeed again.

I hope to see some of the old folks. I can't remember any names, but just like pron, I'll know when I see it. ;-)

[janie]

I am not the only one who thinks that Janie. When one person says it it is probably just their opinion. When two people say it, it could be a coincidence. When 3 or more say it, it is a pattern.

This could be a learning experience for you or you could continue doing what you always do which is deflect and point the finger at everyone else. You often go on tirades that don't make any sense, in context. I am not the only one who thinks this. Many people have been left scratching their heads at your post wondering what you are even talking about.

Of course you will probably just say they are my flunkies and do what I tell them to do (another thing you have accused many times). It is you that is in denial, not I.Herd mentality. You can't even defend yourself without bringing in reinforcements. I could list a few who thought you were a dufus as well. But it is irrelevant.

I rest my case.

:)


(Ok, see you all in a month or two. I can only take small doses of this board and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. I wanted to add that I enjoy being here, but it is too much of a time suck. Plus, well, you know, I am annoying. :) )

Have a nice day! And Quilty, thanks for that link. I will definitely be looking into that!

[still_me]

I don't do that and I could prove it by going and quoting what I've actually said that's she's accused of "pulling the mental card" about. But I don't have the time to do it right now. She seems to read everything I write and assign meaning to it that is clearly not there just as she has done in this thread.


Bah. There is no need for that. While I find Janie's posts interesting to read, I don't put much merit in stuff when it comes to something about people. TBH, it isn't only her that I do that with. I prefer to see evidence when someone says something about someone else-especially when it is said someone does a certain something all the time and I never see it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Bah. There is no need for that. While I find Janie's posts interesting to read, I don't put much merit in stuff when it comes to something about people. TBH, it isn't only her that I do that with. I prefer to see evidence when someone says something about someone else-especially when it is said someone does a certain something all the time and I never see it.
And unless it's something particularly heinous, I prefer said "proof" not to have happened on another board.

[HammBugga]

Bah. There is no need for that. While I find Janie's posts interesting to read, I don't put much merit in stuff when it comes to something about people. TBH, it isn't only her that I do that with. I prefer to see evidence when someone says something about someone else-especially when it is said someone does a certain something all the time and I never see it.
Precisely my point. If more than just Janie were accusing me of doing it I would take a look at my actions and if I found the accusations were justified I would apologize and try my best to change the offending behavior. That has always been the way I do things, both on the internet and in real life. I don't claim to be perfect, I make mistakes.

I am willing to learn and grow. The fact is, I don't pull the mental card. I did it once and the time I did I truly believed what I was saying. That doesn't make it right though and I have made my amends for that. You won't ever find me calling someone "mentally unstable" again, even if Janie seems to think I do it every other week.

[Annalise]

Precisely my point. If more than just Janie were accusing me of doing it I would take a look at my actions and if I found the accusations were justified I would apologize and try my best to change the offending behavior. That has always been the way I do things, both on the internet and in real life. I don't claim to be perfect, I make mistakes.

I am willing to learn and grow. The fact is, I don't pull the mental card. I did it once and the time I did I truly believed what I was saying. That doesn't make it right though and I have made my amends for that. You won't ever find me calling someone "mentally unstable" again, even if Janie seems to think I do it every other week.

What's wrong with stating your opinion that you think someone is mentally unstable if you truly think they are? Obviously it's just an opinion and not an attempt at diagnosis over the Internet. Some people do come along (albeit rarely) that seem mentally unstable by their erratic posts and the content within. Unless you were calling someone mentally unstable as a put down just because they pissed you off instead of actually believing it, I don't get the big deal. Lots of people out there that are MU and I'm sure more than a few of them frequent message boards.

[HammBugga]

Because it isn't helpful. If a person truly is mentally unstable then telling them so can potentially make their already fragile state even worse. I definitely see it differently when someone suggests counseling out of concern. People are more likely to listen and take advice when someone poses something in a nice way as opposed to just saying "you are mentally unstable and I refuse to engage you any longer", that is more likely to put someone on the defensive and upset them further.

[tata]

If you define mentally unstable to include things like depression and OCD, then a lot of people that frequent the internet admit to being mentally unstable, including me.

[Tweet]

Ok, well, the name of the board is breastfeeding.com then.


But just because that is the name of the board ,it doesn't mean that every forum will be about breastfeeding.There is also an archive forum and a loss forum.It would be highly inappropriate to ask for bfing advice there.

That said,it is not forbidden to ask/discuss breastfeeding at this forum and questions are often answered. But no, you won't find a lot of talk about it here and that's how it should be.

[Candi]

But just because that is the name of the board ,it doesn't mean that every forum will be about breastfeeding.There is also an archive forum and a loss forum.It would be highly inappropriate to ask for bfing advice there.

That said,it is not forbidden to ask/discuss breastfeeding at this forum and questions are often answered. But no, you won't find a lot of talk about it here and that's how it should be.


yea, I know. I'm just beating a dead horse here, but I guess my point was that for a breastfeeding site there is little talk of breastfeeding, even in the appropriate forum. I have found other sources for my info.

I guess I still hang out here cause I like the chatter! And since there are not too many people answering the bf questions, I feel like I could help a little.

[sarsie1]

WHAT is wrong with Braves' fans anyway? The other day, they were only 2 games out of the wildcard and there was nobody at their stadium watching the game.

That is pathetic. Just pathetic.


What's wrong is that Braves fans don't live in ATLANTA! lol

Okay, back to the thread. Sorry...been busy all day with high risk OBs and stuff...

[sarsie1]

I understand. It's that the general breastfeeding doesn't really get much traffic like you said, and the name of this forum, is breastfeeding.com, so isn't that the main purpose? Not that I really care if most of the people here don't talk about bfing, it's just what I was looking for when I came here.

I like hearing the other discussions, I just wish there was more bf stuff. Not that it matters I guess.

I always click new posts when I visit.

Unfortunately, Candi, that's something that Vic lost when the "split" happened...he didn't care that he was losing a HUGE number of BTDT posters--posters that almost always went to the BFing forums and offered a freakin TON of advice to newcomers who needed help. Posters who wanted to give back-many of them LCs themselves, posters who spent a lot of time helping new moms with bfing issues. Vic didn't care about the quality of posters he had or how much new moms actually GOT help. All he cared about was numbers--that's it. How many "registered users" did he have? Unfortunately, by the time the sale took place, those true helpers, those people that constantly visited the bfing forums to help-had already left and weren't coming back. And still aren't coming back.

Probably new "helpers" will appear, but it will likely take time to get them back into the bfing forums, people like you, who work through it, you'll keep going to that forum, and you'll give your advice to other new moms. But what you're talking about missing-didn't used to be missing. The owner of this board created that loss.

[Tweet]

Herd mentality. You can't even defend yourself without bringing in reinforcements. I could list a few who thought you were a dufus as well. But it is irrelevant.

I rest my case.

:)


(Ok, see you all in a month or two. I can only take small doses of this board and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. I wanted to add that I enjoy being here, but it is too much of a time suck. Plus, well, you know, I am annoying. :) )

Have a nice day! And Quilty, thanks for that link. I will definitely be looking into that!


Oh,for pete's sake. The only reason you constantly bring up this "herd mentality" is because you just hope it gets under someone's skin,I think.

I happen to think you make sense sometimes. Unfortunately, you seem to go off on tangents that don't make sense . If I could remember the names of the threads you've done it in, I'd do a search and post them and encourage you to look through them. Perhaps you aren't aware when it happens. I much prefer the times you make sense because it does bring a different perspective. It's when it gets nonsensical that you lose me and also as soon as the ole "you all" and "everyone on this board" and "you all and your herd mentality" comes out.

And like Hamm said (oops! there goes that herd mentality lol) you can of course choose to look at it like we're only saying it so we can gang up on you and use our pack mentality on you. Or you could take it for what it's worth and be more aware of it. I for one would enjoy your posts so much more if you could do away with the sweeping generalizations and going off on nonsensical tangents.

[Candi]

Unfortunately, Candi, that's something that Vic lost when the "split" happened...he didn't care that he was losing a HUGE number of BTDT posters--posters that almost always went to the BFing forums and offered a freakin TON of advice to newcomers who needed help. Posters who wanted to give back-many of them LCs themselves, posters who spent a lot of time helping new moms with bfing issues. Vic didn't care about the quality of posters he had or how much new moms actually GOT help. All he cared about was numbers--that's it. How many "registered users" did he have? Unfortunately, by the time the sale took place, those true helpers, those people that constantly visited the bfing forums to help-had already left and weren't coming back. And still aren't coming back.

Probably new "helpers" will appear, but it will likely take time to get them back into the bfing forums, people like you, who work through it, you'll keep going to that forum, and you'll give your advice to other new moms. But what you're talking about missing-didn't used to be missing. The owner of this board created that loss.


aaahhhh, that is the missing piece in the puzzle then. Can I ask how he ended up running a bfing forum (or site) in the first place then? Did he purchase it from someone else?

[JudyJudyJudy]

Oh,for pete's sake. The only reason you constantly bring up this "herd mentality" is because you just hope it gets under someone's skin,I think.

I suspect she's doing it to get back at all of those evil liberals since a few have made such comments about Christians.

[HammBugga]

Actually she seems to take things that various people have said about me (that I bring up mental problems and have a group of people who agree with everything I say no matter what) and uses them in every debate. I think she believes that she can prove some kind of pattern because someone once said that was true about me and she likes to point it out every time she believes it is happening. I sort of feel like I should cite sources (probably because I have been working on my psych homework all day) to show examples.

I will just try to go from memory though....
I am having an argument with someone on ihmmb and say that I no longer wish to engage them because I believe they are mentally unstable. I then realize the error of what I said and aplogize.

Janie reads this exchange.

A couple weeks later I tell someone who seems to have made up a story about the suffering and ultimate death of a baby that if their story is true I am very sorry but if it is not I hope they can seek help for whatever is afflicting them that has caused them to make up such a story.

Janie accuses me of playing the mental card.

I tell Janie in another thread that being angry is not good for your health.

Janie accuses me of playing the mental card.

On another board I am accused of being part of a "pack" and a "queen bee" because certain people seem to agree with me more than others. It is easily shown that those very same people have disagreed with me on several occasions.

Janie constantly says that people only agree with me because they are blindly following me like some sort of dictator. Not only insulting me but those people in the process by suggesting that they can't think for themselves and do everything I tell them to do.

It seems she is incapable of coming up with a valid beef with me so she just recycles ones that she has seen others use even if they have absolutely no validity.

[Tweet]

I suspect she's doing it to get back at all of those evil liberals since a few have made such comments about Christians.

Ah,that could very well be ! I hadn't thought about it that way.

[sarsie1]

aaahhhh, that is the missing piece in the puzzle then. Can I ask how he ended up running a bfing forum (or site) in the first place then? Did he purchase it from someone else?

I can't remember-I wasn't around when he originated it. It was more about money than helping BFing mothers though. IIRC, he claimed that he wanted to support BFing mothers and had the idea nad it grew from there...from our standpoint, money was the driving force-as evidenced by a LARGE number of things, including allowing formula advertisements on a bfing board, ignoring the complaints and requests of his members, at one point allowing an administrator that went around banning people willy-nilly when they disagreed with her, and so forth and so on...all the while obtaining obscene advertisement dollars (while telling the members they could not advertise in ANY way, including PMs, signature lines, or anything else, and having such high ad rates that his own members could not advertise their businesses), based on "users."

[more_creme]

Vic co-founded this site with his wife, who was a breastfeeding mother. By the time I joined, she was no longer involved. He was an absentee landlord.

The admin/mod before Hal was something of a dictator and made a lot of people unhappy, resulting in the original splinter group that became sybermoms.

Sassy (then known as Hal) took over admin and moderation duties after the site had been without a moderator for some time.

***********

[Tiffers]

I've been following this thread for a bit now, and I guess I'll weigh in, although I'm not sure how well my thoughts will go over.

I agree that this board has changed, a lot, over the past 3 years I've been here. I've learned a lot about a lot of things from my interactions with the people who have come and gone over the years. I've also learned A LOT about myself, both good and bad. There have been things that have gone down here that have made me take time to self-reflect and change my perspective, and I appreciate that. I honestly attribute a good deal of self-growth to my interactions on this board.

That said, I have to say that I am concerned about a large influx of people who left for Diva's board. I'm not sure that I can say with all certainty that the change was attributed to the mass exodus, but I absolutely do not miss the dogpiles, witch hunts and cat fights that we used to have here. At one point, I was a part of them, and I have been the target of them as well. But I honestly can't remember how long it's been since we have had a dog-piling witch hunting train wreck, and I hope that this never becomes an issue here again.

I remember pre-exodus, how I felt very intimidated by some other posters, and did not feel comfortable posting my honest feelings or thoughts, in fear that I might get my words picked apart, ridiculed, made to feel like an idiot for them, or even worse - become the target of a witch hunt. Actually, I was hesitating to post my thoughts on this thread for this same reason, because I know so many are lurking and reading it.

But since the exodus, I have felt much more confident, comfortable, and welcome to post. I also feel like my input and contribution to the boards is recognized and appreciated. I remember feeling invisible, and many people often expressing those same sentiments.

Now, I'm not saying that I don't want them to come back. I do miss so many people who left. I'm just concerned that it will change into a community that I no longer feel comfortable being a part of.

[Sassafras]

I'm frickin' older than damn dirt and I've not breastfed a babe since 1982. With the exception of asinine trolls, I feel like everyone brings something to the table here ~ young, old and in-between folks; men & women; those who aren't parents and never plan to be; those who are breastfeeding or have in the past; & those from all walks of life.

I've made some of the best friends I've ever had here over the years and even though I've not been around much since we moved, this is and always will be my "home."


Feel young Mimi, I am still the oldest!

[Ma_Whit]

I think Janie really enjoyed Intro to Psychology. :)

[BeanBabies]

Vic co-founded this site with his wife, who was a breastfeeding mother. By the time I joined, she was no longer involved. He was an absentee landlord.

The admin/mod before Hal was something of a dictator and made a lot of people unhappy, resulting in the original splinter group that became sybermoms.

Sassy (then known as Hal) took over admin and moderation duties after the site had been without a moderator for some time.

***********




Ah yes, Elaine. She most definitely jumped off the deep end but she did so with a little push. She made it strictly verboten to speak the name "Sybermoms". It even came out *********. "lol9"

[JudyJudyJudy]

Tiffers, I'm glad you posted your feelings. I can somewhat relate. While I do miss the debates, part of me doesn't miss some of the other issues you mentioned. In fact, I remember times when I used to let this board upset me; I don't miss that.


Vic co-founded this site with his wife, who was a breastfeeding mother. By the time I joined, she was no longer involved. He was an absentee landlord.

The admin/mod before Hal was something of a dictator and made a lot of people unhappy, resulting in the original splinter group that became sybermoms.

Sassy (then known as Hal) took over admin and moderation duties after the site had been without a moderator for some time.

***********
And don't forget that Hal was shit on tremendously by many posters in the beginning. I was attacked for defending her.


Ah yes, Elaine. She most definitely jumped off the deep end but she did so with a little push. She made it strictly verboten to speak the name "Sybermoms". It even came out *********. "lol9"
I remember that. "lol9"

[sarsie1]

Heh. Y'all remember when you got ****tail instead of cocktail? ****er spaniel? Ah, good times!

[JudyJudyJudy]

Now you can type fuck as long as you don't put a comma immediately after it. :p

[Bellaelle]

I think Janie and Tiffers make a lot of sense.

I for one cannot stand ass kissing. That is one of the main reasons I quit going to that other board. I also can read between the lines and I know when my company has been over extended.

Tracy made no bones about the fact that the forum was not her focal point and quite frankly, it was a pain in the ass for her to keep running. The things she detested about this site found their way to her place because what she could not stand, was indeed posting at her site.

A forum and the flow of the place is based on the posters.

[MMof5]

Tiffers does make a lot of sense.

[HIJKMommy]

My feelings stand pretty close to Tiffers. Alot has happened and there is more to come. I will say I do take offense to the "dumbed down" comments as well. I am a mother of 2, happily married and well educated and yet my age is always a factor. The funniest thing is most of the time I relate to Icon and she has already stated that she does not relate to 20 somethings.

[Tweet]

I'd love to know what exactly is "dumb downed". It's slower,yeah. But, that's to be expected since so many left. And yeah, we did have the influx of trolls . Now, THAT shit was dumb. Mogey. Krisbaby. Whoever else. However, the discussions here aren't dumb even if they are few and far between sometimes.

I agree with Bella. The forums and their pace are set by the posters. We are so small right now that there isn't a definite "feel" ,if you ask me. It baffles me a bit when people say they don't fit here anymore. Fit *what*? It's little now. If a large group of them came back, it would have a feel they are familiar with,right? What sort of feel does it even have? To me, it just feels like a quiet camping spot. Or Cheers. lol

[JudyJudyJudy]

I'd love to know what exactly is "dumb downed".
I don't think (by most) that it's meant to be an insult. I see it to mean that there is less "intelligent" conversation (debates and discussions) than in the past. Since I want the best of both worlds (debates, discussions, fluff, and friendships), it's hard for me to know where to draw the line, especially when I do agree with Tiffers that I don't miss many of the problems that we had in the past.

[MMof5]

I agree, Judy.

[_Gypsy_]

Tiffers, I agree.

I hated the meanness and I don't want it back.

I think the feel here lately is mostly just safe - like Cheers or camping? sure, right now we are a small group of people who respect each other and sometimes disagree.

I'd love to have many posters back, the boards have been incredibly slow and I miss a lot of the people and conversations we used to have a long time ago, but if I had to choose between now, and then, I would pick now. If I could pick now with more people who are kind and respect each other while bringing some life back to the boards I would choose that. I don't want all those things back that Tiffers talked about.

[still_me]

If the board did become that again, I would leave permanently. I refuse to be around stuff like that. I don't find meanness or bitchiness a badge of honor.

[sarsie1]

I think that there are only really 2-3 posters (maybe I'm included? I don't know, I'd like to think I'm not) that created an atmosphere of "meanness"...people that seemed to relish attacking and insulting others...and the fact is that i anticipate that y'all have had, or will have, those kinds of people again eventually no matter what.

Nonetheless, I think, in the end, BFDC is safe as I don't see many IHMMB posters come back that didn't already cross-post.

Like I said, my leaving really wasn't in a fit or a hissy or a snit, it just became that I had too many boards to look at, too much to do, and when I really thought about it, the one that didn't "fit" anymore was this one-the one I found myself most frustrated about or thinking that "Oh, this again?" thought...yeah, was this one. Again, when I said over on IHMMB that I saw ignorance here, it was not an insult (and I said that there). It is just something that I found I didn't want to really reply to much anymore (I mean, honestly, I can only talk about circumcision and abortion and vaccines so much in most cases), and I found myself being interested in fewer and fewer threads here, in addition to feeling kind of like the odd kid out on the playground (again, I think likely that is related to an age thing, or just a "place in life" thing), so I ended up ultimately migrating away full-time.

I still miss a lot of people from here, and I do sometimes come back and lurk for a little while and check up on people. :)

But, ultimately, I think the place is safe from an influx of "new" old posters.

[steelady]

I'd love to know what exactly is "dumb downed". It's slower,yeah. But, that's to be expected since so many left. And yeah, we did have the influx of trolls . Now, THAT shit was dumb. Mogey. Krisbaby. Whoever else. However, the discussions here aren't dumb even if they are few and far between sometimes.

I agree with Bella. The forums and their pace are set by the posters. We are so small right now that there isn't a definite "feel" ,if you ask me. It baffles me a bit when people say they don't fit here anymore. Fit *what*? It's little now. If a large group of them came back, it would have a feel they are familiar with,right? What sort of feel does it even have? To me, it just feels like a quiet camping spot. Or Cheers. lol
Since I was one of those who made that comment, I'll explain myself. I didn't leave because of the map thing, but for a variety of reasons, including feeling hurt by the "meanie" comments. I suspect that during that whole time many people were caught up (and hurt) on both sides when things were said in a general way (things that were not directly aimed at them). At least, I'm assuming that folks didn't mean me when they talk about dog piles and the meanies. Actually, I'm fairly sure folks don't mean me, but I felt that I had failed in some way for not stepping in or standing up. Who knows, I'm fairly self-centered and arrogant that way.

Regardless, in the past year or so since the split, there are a lot of new faces around these parts (not saying that's good or bad) and I really don't feel connected to them. I don't "know" them, their history, etc. and I assume they don't know me or my situation. Thus, I don't feel as comfortable as I use to; sort of like when you graduate from college and then go back for homecoming; the place is still the same in many ways (for good and bad) but the people are different. I am fully aware that I could hang around more and get to know people, but right now, that's not something I want to do.

This should not be taken as an insult by anyone here (and I do "miss" some folks around here, hence my dropping in from time to time); I just don't have the time to invest in this place anymore, which should be taken as a reflection more on my laziness than the character of the posters here.

I speak for no one but myself, but I suspect that may be what a lot of people mean.

[SemperGumby]

Hiya, Sarsie. It's nice to see 'old' faces.

[still_me]

See, I would have never equated "dumbed down" with 'I just moved onto another stage in my life'.

ETA: I don't mean that with any snark.

[steelady]

See, I would have never equated "dumbed down" with 'I just moved onto another stage in my life'.

ETA: I don't mean that with any snark.


and I've never used the phrase "dumbed down". I was responding to not "fitting", but wasn't that clear in my post.

I, personally dislike the word dumb and would not (and do not) classify this place as being "dumbed down". I, personally, do not equate a person's intelligence with what they choose to discuss. I would say this place has become fluffier, less serious/hard core/deeper; which may not be totally accurate since many of the topics I see just don't interest me when I pop in/lurk (I lurk more than I post these days). For all I know, these threads can get deep on the inside, but, as I stated before, I just don't choose to use my time that way.

[KerryS]

Ok, well, the name of the board is breastfeeding.com then.


But there are at least a dozen forums that are specifically about breastfeeding. Not to mention all the various articles, FAQs, and the "ask the LC" forum. There is ONE off-topic forum where everything else goes.

I guess I'm just not sure what exactly it is you're wanting.

ETA: I see that this has been resolved. Sorry for the 'tone' in my post.

[HammBugga]

I think Janie really enjoyed Intro to Psychology. :) Are you implying I am trying to give her a Psychology lesson? If so, please explain how you came to that conclusion.

[Justicedog]

I agree with Steel in the description. I think that topics are less "debate" and fluffier than way back when. It's much less political. There's not been lengthy or heated debates on health care policy, immigration reform, foreign policy, abortion, gay marriage, etc as there had been in the past.

I've gotten lots of intelligent responses whenever I've posted issues that I've been having with my kids and their school problems. However, that's not really debate worthy, if you know what I mean. Although I think it would be inaccurate to define that as fluff - I'm not sure what it would be categorized as - advice, friendship building?

[Solare]

30 kicked my butt. 40 is looming, but it doesn't feel the same. I'm almost looking forward to it.


30 didn't bother me one bit.

[Amy_G_]

Heck when I first started reading the debate board many many moons ago, there was a discussion about higher mathematics and quantum physics.

There were vaccine debates where not links to vaccine scare websites were posted, but the actual studies from med journals. we do some of that still, but not very much really highly intellectual discussions. The topics are dumber, not the people maybe?

[janie]

Actually she seems to take things that various people have said about me (that I bring up mental problems and have a group of people who agree with everything I say no matter what) and uses them in every debate. I think she believes that she can prove some kind of pattern because someone once said that was true about me and she likes to point it out every time she believes it is happening. I sort of feel like I should cite sources (probably because I have been working on my psych homework all day) to show examples.

I will just try to go from memory though....
I am having an argument with someone on ihmmb and say that I no longer wish to engage them because I believe they are mentally unstable. I then realize the error of what I said and aplogize.

Janie reads this exchange.

A couple weeks later I tell someone who seems to have made up a story about the suffering and ultimate death of a baby that if their story is true I am very sorry but if it is not I hope they can seek help for whatever is afflicting them that has caused them to make up such a story.

Janie accuses me of playing the mental card.

I tell Janie in another thread that being angry is not good for your health.

Janie accuses me of playing the mental card.

On another board I am accused of being part of a "pack" and a "queen bee" because certain people seem to agree with me more than others. It is easily shown that those very same people have disagreed with me on several occasions.

Janie constantly says that people only agree with me because they are blindly following me like some sort of dictator. Not only insulting me but those people in the process by suggesting that they can't think for themselves and do everything I tell them to do.

It seems she is incapable of coming up with a valid beef with me so she just recycles ones that she has seen others use even if they have absolutely no validity.Oh boy. I know, I know... Hey, didn't you just say to me that if more than one person says it, there's some validity to it? Think on that.

You of all people do not lead anyone to do anything. At least I hope to god that you do not. How in the world did you get the idea that I thought YOU were a leader?

I just had to clear that up, because that is so far from truth it almost hurts.

You just go on being your "master baiter" self and living in your own delusions of grandeur cause I guess there's no real harm in that. You are a queen wannabee. I don't think there's anyone here who could deny that. A certain subset, yes, would be attracted to that.

And no, I don't have any beef with you. I just read every post you write to me as prefaced with the "Janie doesn't make sense 95% of the time" and then you have a few other standard snarks you throw in. That's really all I know about you, like you're on this mission to belittle me... haha, whatever.

My gut tells me you and your "followers" were a little bit responsible for the final demise of IHMMB. I could be wrong...

We're all pretty predictable I suppose.

And MaWhit? Your one liners? Still not funny. I do enjoy the effort, however.

In other news, I'm pretty sure people are all cozy at the new board, so I doubt you'll seen any returnees. I can actually understand them a little bit better right about now.

[janie]

And I wanted to add, that this is all based on an outsiders view. Because on every message board, there is a Hamm and a janie... even a MaWhit.

I'm sure she(they) is(are) really a great person and mommy... this I do know... at the heart of all of us, there is gold.

[HammBugga]

You are the only one saying I bring up mental issues all the time, there is nothing for me to "look at". Taking one situation and bringing it up over and over again and throwing it in my face does not make a point other than the fact that you have no other material and you.make.no.sense.

As far as you thinking I am the "queen bee" you implied that in the past. Saying Tweet and others follow me around and agree with whatever I say whether they really agree or not. That is something you made up, not I.

Here is another one that implies I have followers
My gut tells me you and your "followers" were a little bit responsible for the final demise of IHMMB. I could be wrong...
I don't even know what you mean or who you are talking about but feel free to make a list and elaborate so we can all have a good laugh about how your mind works.

You just go on being your "master baiter" self and living in your own delusions of grandeur cause I guess there's no real harm in that. You are a queen wannabee. I don't think there's anyone here who could deny that. A certain subset, yes, would be attracted to that. Absolutely none of this is true. I don't have delusions of grandeur, I am actually a really humble person. I don't consider myself a "queen bee" at all. Anyone who knows me can tell you that. Of course if they do I am quite certain you will just chalk it up to them being my "followers" and that they are just lying.

[janie]

I'm done Hamm. I have no interest in dragging your name through the mud or making you feel bad, believe it or not. I'm actually sorry that I even let it get to that point.

This message board/community means way more to you than it does to me and I have no business swooping in here making this personal for you. I do know when it's best to keep my mouth shut.

My writing/posting is me. It's like a bad poet... you don't have to get it. You don't have to understand it. Heck, it will never be required reading in public school anyway.

See what I mean?

Have a good rest of the day, I sincerely mean that.

[still_me]

I don't think anyone follows anyone around here at all. There are days where someone might post something and people agree with them more around that time, but really...followers? Queenbees? Say who?

There are social patterns that happen anywhere, but not always do they apply to everything. There are new patterns made all the time.

Maybe Janie you see agreement with people only on the threads you post in. :p

ETA: If you think you are dragging her name through the mud...oy...there has to be mud first...

[janie]

If ya haven't got any mud, ya haven't had any fun.

;)

[JudyJudyJudy]

I agree with Steel in the description. I think that topics are less "debate" and fluffier than way back when. It's much less political. There's not been lengthy or heated debates on health care policy, immigration reform, foreign policy, abortion, gay marriage, etc as there had been in the past.
I agree. However, based on some posts by some who left, it seems that that's what they don't want anymore.


I've gotten lots of intelligent responses whenever I've posted issues that I've been having with my kids and their school problems. However, that's not really debate worthy, if you know what I mean. Although I think it would be inaccurate to define that as fluff - I'm not sure what it would be categorized as - advice, friendship building?
I definitely wouldn't put this under fluff or dumbed down, but this did make me think of something: I enjoy such topics as this and even many fluff topics; however, I'll admit that I do roll my eyes at some posts—the ones that a 5-second google or bing could answer such as "What's such and such?" (the type of thing you would tell your 10yo, "Look it up," if he/she asked). In my opinion, it's entirely different when you want suggestions, experiences, or clarification on something.

[HammBugga]

I'm done Hamm. I have no interest in dragging your name through the mud or making you feel bad, believe it or not. I'm actually sorry that I even let it get to that point.
Really? I am curious what mud you are speaking of?
This message board/community means way more to you than it does to me and I have no business swooping in here making this personal for you. I do know when it's best to keep my mouth shut. I am not upset, nor have you made it personal. Actually I am amused and curious as to how you think you could "drag my name through the mud" and "make it personal" You seem to be alluding to the fact that you have some super secret inside information about me personally.

My writing/posting is me. It's like a bad poet... you don't have to get it. You don't have to understand it. Heck, it will never be required reading in public school anyway.

See what I mean?

Have a good rest of the day, I sincerely mean that. Fair enough, I apologize for making it personal. I honestly did not think about it being your writing style. I thought you were doing it deliberately. Making things into riddles for your own amusement. I am truly sorry that I insulted your writing. Next time I will just ask for clarification.

[rockmom]

Heck when I first started reading the debate board many many moons ago, there was a discussion about higher mathematics and quantum physics.

There were vaccine debates where not links to vaccine scare websites were posted, but the actual studies from med journals. we do some of that still, but not very much really highly intellectual discussions. The topics are dumber, not the people maybe?


I think that is simply a matter of the internet becoming more open to the general population. A decade ago, it was still disproportionately compsed of scientist, engineers, and academics. That was a demographic that expected a rigorous debate backed up with citations.

[BeanBabies]

Well now, this is confusing. Some say that the reason they don't post here is because it's the same old topics/debates over and over (vax/circ/etc) and then there are those who complain because one never sees those debates anymore.

And to bemoan the lack of conversation about quantum physics? Really?

[Ma_Whit]

Are you implying I am trying to give her a Psychology lesson? If so, please explain how you came to that conclusion.

No, I was implying that she has taken a class and now thinks she's an expert on human psychology.

[Tweet]

Are you talking about the private groups from before,Janie? Is that the mud you're referring to? I don't understand dragging through the mud and then saying you don't want to drag through the mud. And what's up with all of the "mysterious" innuendos?

And you don't think Hamm leads anyone but you think she has followers? Not only that,but you basically are saying Hamm isn't important enough to lead (hence the delusions of grandeur and master baiter comment) and yet in the next breath you say you think Hamm and her followers were likely the final demise of IHMMB? And where would you even get that?? Hamm doesn't even post that much at IHMMB,lol.

This would be one of the times where it gets confusing for people,Janie. It doesn't make sense.

And to Hamm: I think Ma was referring to when you said what you did about your psychology class.

ETA nevermind. She clarified and I was wrong.lol

[janie]

Really? I am curious what mud you are speaking of?
I am not upset, nor have you made it personal. Actually I am amused and curious as to how you think you could "drag my name through the mud" and "make it personal" You seem to be alluding to the fact that you have some super secret inside information about me personally.
Fair enough, I apologize for making it personal. I honestly did not think about it being your writing style. I thought you were doing it deliberately. Making things into riddles for your own amusement. I am truly sorry that I insulted your writing. Next time I will just ask for clarification.No, no, no, I have no mud. I just meant I wasn't interested in further berating you for any reason. Does that make more sense?

I don't mind yelling at you when it's "you guys" or "you liberals" because it's more of a general thing, not personal. I don't like to try and hurt people on a personal level. I don't think my general ranting really does that, does it?

[janie]

No, I was implying that she has taken a class and now thinks she's an expert on human psychology.I think classes in human psychology are mostly a big joke.

Id this.


:p

[BeanBabies]

I assumed that Janie meant the reason IHMMB was shut down was because Tracy didn't want a certain "element" posting over there. Once the "element" made it's way over there, she decided to shut it down.

[janie]

Can we discuss quantum physics now? It's the hottest science out there.

You think it will be "dis"proven in a few hundred years from now?

[janie]

I assumed that Janie meant the reason IHMMB was shut down was because Tracy didn't want a certain "element" posting over there. Once the "element" made it's way over there, she decided to shut it down.Yes, I meant exactly that. But I feel bad for saying that.

But it was obvious that there was a private group here that left for there. Am I right? And if she hated THIS message board, I imagine when it basically all migrated over there, she hated THAT message board. Suggesting it was Hamm and friends was unfair because I don't know that. Obviously.

[HammBugga]

No, I was implying that she has taken a class and now thinks she's an expert on human psychology.
Oh ok, thanks for clarifying.

No, no, no, I have no mud. I just meant I wasn't interested in further berating you for any reason. Does that make more sense?

I don't mind yelling at you when it's "you guys" or "you liberals" because it's more of a general thing, not personal. I don't like to try and hurt people on a personal level. I don't think my general ranting really does that, does it?


Again, thanks for clarifying, it did seem you were hinting at something and apparently I am not the only one who saw it that way.

[Ilovemonkeys]

I thought I was clear in saying that the "dumbed down" board was in no way an insult to the board or the posters. I've said a gatrillion times, I love this board, I love the posters here, i've made lifelong friends b/c of this board. I've learned so much and grown so much b/c of this board.

This board went through several changes in the 2 or so years before the map fiasco and it got better and worse, many people left before the map and there were bad times, anyone recall tiredoftheHSantics? and Sheriff Creme and Whocares? good times, those were, but they were a result of what many saw as bullying and dog piling.

But after the map, there was a long while that this board was nothing but trolls. For a few months, there would be no new posts for days, the front page would have topics from the last 2 weeks.
Sluggish? Boring? Slow? Sorry, i'm not a thesaurus so i'll use dumb to cover that.


I'm in pain, so excuse me if I make no sense, it all makes perfect sense in my head. Lol.

[HammBugga]

Are you talking about the private groups from before,Janie? Is that the mud you're referring to? I don't understand dragging through the mud and then saying you don't want to drag through the mud. And what's up with all of the "mysterious" innuendos?

And you don't think Hamm leads anyone but you think she has followers? Not only that,but you basically are saying Hamm isn't important enough to lead (hence the delusions of grandeur and master baiter comment) and yet in the next breath you say you think Hamm and her followers were likely the final demise of IHMMB? And where would you even get that?? Hamm doesn't even post that much at IHMMB,lol.

This would be one of the times where it gets confusing for people,Janie. It doesn't make sense.

And to Hamm: I think Ma was referring to when you said what you did about your psychology class.

ETA nevermind. She clarified and I was wrong.lol

I saw it the same way as you but it seems that is not what she meant. I still don't know what she meant about ihmmb though. Hmmm.

Oh and I did mention my psychology class but it was IRT citing sources which is also why I was confused about Mawhits comment.

[Ilovemonkeys]

Yes, I meant exactly that. But I feel bad for saying that.

But it was obvious that there was a private group here that left for there. Am I right? And if she hated THIS message board, I imagine when it basically all migrated over there, she hated THAT message board. Suggesting it was Hamm and friends was unfair because I don't know that. Obviously.


Without dragging i'll just say that I think you're onto something there.

[HammBugga]

I thought I was clear in saying that the "dumbed down" board was in no way an insult to the board or the posters. I've said a gatrillion times, I love this board, I love the posters here, i've made lifelong friends b/c of this board. I've learned so much and grown so much b/c of this board.

This board went through several changes in the 2 or so years before the map fiasco and it got better and worse, many people left before the map and there were bad times, anyone recall tiredoftheHSantics? and Sheriff Creme and Whocares? good times, those were, but they were a result of what many saw as bullying and dog piling.

But after the map, there was a long while that this board was nothing but trolls. For a few months, there would be no new posts for days, the front page would have topics from the last 2 weeks.
Sluggish? Boring? Slow? Sorry, i'm not a thesaurus so i'll use dumb to cover that.


I'm in pain, so excuse me if I make no sense, it all makes perfect sense in my head. Lol.

It might make sense but it could be worded better. Can you not see how those of us that post here would be offended by people saying it has "dumbed down?"

Yes I remember tiredoftheseHSantics. Those were fun times, not because of the dog-piling but because there was always elmo penis to be had.

[HammBugga]

Yes, I meant exactly that. But I feel bad for saying that.

But it was obvious that there was a private group here that left for there. Am I right? And if she hated THIS message board, I imagine when it basically all migrated over there, she hated THAT message board. Suggesting it was Hamm and friends was unfair because I don't know that. Obviously.


Well I can agree with the overall thought process but the whole "Hamm and friends" again implies that I am some kind of leader. Perhaps you don't mean that and if not, great, but to an outsider it may appear that way. Then it gets twisted and turned around into "Hamm thinks she's a leader" and I most certainly am not leading or even trying to lead anyone.

At any rate, I think what you mean is an entire group of people that didn't fit the picture of what she wanted. I don't fault her for it because I think her heart was in the right place by inviting everyone over but she had lost site of what she was trying to accomplish. It's kinda hard to branch out when your message board is all full of Mother's who have similar views (NO, not a pack).

[JudyJudyJudy]

I thought I was clear in saying that the "dumbed down" board was in no way an insult to the board or the posters.
I know you didn't mean it that way, and I feel pretty sure that most who have continued to cross-post don't, either, but I know that some do feel that way. I remember when IHMMB first started, and I was debating on whether or not I wanted to join, I lurked there briefly and saw numerous comments like "We're the advanced class" (or something to that effect). Oddly enough, while the ones who were posting those comments were many of the ones whose posts I enjoyed here, actually seeing such comments in writing on a public board made me feel a bit icky.

[Tweet]

Yes, I meant exactly that. But I feel bad for saying that.

But it was obvious that there was a private group here that left for there. Am I right? And if she hated THIS message board, I imagine when it basically all migrated over there, she hated THAT message board. Suggesting it was Hamm and friends was unfair because I don't know that. Obviously.


It sure did take her a long time to shut it down if that's the case. Hamm and others had been members there for quite some time. I don't think that was it. And besides, she made it clear that no one was unwelcome there. I think if anything, the whole message board in general didn't fit in with her plans. I don't think it was an element of any specific posters.

[HammBugga]

I know you didn't mean it that way, and I feel pretty sure that most who have continued to cross-post don't, either, but I know that some do feel that way. I remember when IHMMB first started, and I was debating on whether or not I wanted to join, I lurked there briefly and saw numerous comments like "We're the advanced class" (or something to that effect). Oddly enough, while the ones who were posting those comments were many of the ones whose posts I enjoyed here, actually seeing such comments in writing on a public board made me feel a bit icky.


Yes those comments were made so saying "dumbed down" is going to lump whoever it is that is saying it into the people that made it clear they were better than at ihmmb. It might not be accurate but it makes sense.

[HammBugga]

It sure did take her a long time to shut it down if that's the case. Hamm and others had been members there for quite some time. I don't think that was it. And besides, she made it clear that no one was unwelcome there. I think if anything, the whole message board in general didn't fit in with her plans. I don't think it was an element of any specific posters.


It may be true that she didn't have a MB in mind when she had her vision. Or perhaps she had it in mind but it was more for followers of her blog with all sorts of different views and backgrounds. Not just one demographic.

[Amy_G_]

I think that is simply a matter of the internet becoming more open to the general population. A decade ago, it was still disproportionately compsed of scientist, engineers, and academics. That was a demographic that expected a rigorous debate backed up with citations.
maybe that's the reason, I haven't been here quite a whole decade but it is fast approaching. It would explain why things are much much fluffier and "dumber" even if people keep taking offense at that description.

[janie]

Well I can agree with the overall thought process but the whole "Hamm and friends" again implies that I am some kind of leader. Perhaps you don't mean that and if not, great, but to an outsider it may appear that way. Then it gets twisted and turned around into "Hamm thinks she's a leader" and I most certainly am not leading or even trying to lead anyone.

At any rate, I think what you mean is an entire group of people that didn't fit the picture of what she wanted. I don't fault her for it because I think her heart was in the right place by inviting everyone over but she had lost site of what she was trying to accomplish. It's kinda hard to branch out when your message board is all full of Mother's who have similar views (NO, not a pack).I can admit after being here all this time, I still don't really know the meat of the board... the cliques. And I KNOW they are there. So, when I say you and your friends, I am referring to only that... you and your subset of friends. I don't mean anything negative by that.

If I were to go off on MaWhit, a few of her "friends" would come to her defense. Her not so friendly friends would be quiet and silently enjoy the berating. So, basically, your friends would be those that you pm with and probably have more of a friendship than with someone like me, for instance.

I think on every board, there is an A list, a B list, a C list and a must not have list. Everyone's list is different. But I'm thinkin' what started with the A list, slowly evolved into the must not list.

[BeanBabies]

Can we discuss quantum physics now? It's the hottest science out there.

You think it will be "dis"proven in a few hundred years from now?

I was going to get all silly with you 'cause I think the quantum physics request was hilarious, but I'm sick and too lazy to try and come up with cool, big words.

[BeanBabies]

I thought I was clear in saying that the "dumbed down" board was in no way an insult to the board or the posters.

Am I truly the only one who finds this sentence funny and insulting all at the same time?

[janie]

maybe that's the reason, I haven't been here quite a whole decade but it is fast approaching. It would explain why things are much much fluffier and "dumber" even if people keep taking offense at that description.I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that the glory days really weren't all that gloriful.

[HammBugga]

I can admit after being here all this time, I still don't really know the meat of the board... the cliques. And I KNOW they are there. So, when I say you and your friends, I am referring to only that... you and your subset of friends. I don't mean anything negative by that.

If I were to go off on MaWhit, a few of her "friends" would come to her defense. Her not so friendly friends would be quiet and silently enjoy the berating. So, basically, your friends would be those that you pm with and probably have more of a friendship than with someone like me, for instance.

I think on every board, there is an A list, a B list, a C list and a must not have list. Everyone's list is different. But I'm thinkin' what started with the A list, slowly evolved into the must not list.
Well isn't that lovely.

[janie]

Did you find insult in that Hamm? There certainly wasn't any intended. I am speaking in generalities.

Why are there so many splinter groups? Because everyone has their A list. And everyone has their must not have list.

[janie]

I just looked at the page views on this thread. There's what, about 30-40 posters here on a regular basis? Can they possibly read this thread that many times?

(tangent alert)

[tata]

Well now, this is confusing. Some say that the reason they don't post here is because it's the same old topics/debates over and over (vax/circ/etc) and then there are those who complain because one never sees those debates anymore.

And to bemoan the lack of conversation about quantum physics? Really?

I've only gotten to this far and this is precisely what was going through my head.

So, if your little ones aren't breastfed anymore, aren't concerns with vaccinations or circumcision or even c-sections (all topics I've seen debated heatedly in my comparatively short 2.5 yrs here), what are the things you want to see debated? And why not just quitcherbitchin' and start a thread already?

[JudyJudyJudy]

Did you find insult in that Hamm? There certainly wasn't any intended. I am speaking in generalities.

Why are there so many splinter groups? Because everyone has their A list. And everyone has their must not have list.
It's normal for people to form friendships. It happens in real life, too, so I'm not sure what the problem is.


I've only gotten to this far and this is precisely what was going through my head.

So, if your little ones aren't breastfed anymore, aren't concerns with vaccinations or circumcision or even c-sections (all topics I've seen debated heatedly in my comparatively short 2.5 yrs here), what are the things you want to see debated? And why not just quitcherbitchin' and start a thread already?
Starting a thread means nothing when few people even open it. Starting threads in which others aren't interested just proves to a person that it's probably time for her to move on.

[tata]

I thought I was clear in saying that the "dumbed down" board was in no way an insult to the board or the posters. I've said a gatrillion times, I love this board, I love the posters here, i've made lifelong friends b/c of this board. I've learned so much and grown so much b/c of this board.

This board went through several changes in the 2 or so years before the map fiasco and it got better and worse, many people left before the map and there were bad times, anyone recall tiredoftheHSantics? and Sheriff Creme and Whocares? good times, those were, but they were a result of what many saw as bullying and dog piling.

But after the map, there was a long while that this board was nothing but trolls. For a few months, there would be no new posts for days, the front page would have topics from the last 2 weeks.
Sluggish? Boring? Slow? Sorry, i'm not a thesaurus so i'll use dumb to cover that.


I'm in pain, so excuse me if I make no sense, it all makes perfect sense in my head. Lol.

I feel like this post is one of those "What is wrong here?" pictures wherein I can't find the wrong thing, but just intuit it.

The trolls were annoying as fuck for sure, but when 75% of the board left, well that is not going to just replenish itself in a few weeks - or even a year and a half, as is obvious. So yeah, it's been dull around here. Things stay on the first page for several days sometimes as opposed to before GMB2008 when I had to go back 3 pages to find yesterday's posts.

But I feel like it's also become more intimate in a way that it wasn't before. I've gotten to know more about people who otherwise I might not have gotten to know. Because it is slower and perhaps even "fluffier." I qualify that as a good side-effect.

[tata]

I know you didn't mean it that way, and I feel pretty sure that most who have continued to cross-post don't, either, but I know that some do feel that way. I remember when IHMMB first started, and I was debating on whether or not I wanted to join, I lurked there briefly and saw numerous comments like "We're the advanced class" (or something to that effect). Oddly enough, while the ones who were posting those comments were many of the ones whose posts I enjoyed here, actually seeing such comments in writing on a public board made me feel a bit icky.

I was on a lot of people's shit list when GMD2008 went down and frankly, I never felt I would be welcome there. I admit I didn't see comments like that there, but nearly everyone that was openly angry with me over that shit went there and a great number of them posted something to the effects of a "good riddance" regarding me. I doubt I would've ever felt comfortable.

I realize it's not all about me, but it's hard to not suspect that people aren't coming back because of me, since the other issues for which they claim they've left have been resolved.

[janie]

I know you didn't mean it that way, and I feel pretty sure that most who have continued to cross-post don't, either, but I know that some do feel that way. I remember when IHMMB first started, and I was debating on whether or not I wanted to join, I lurked there briefly and saw numerous comments like "We're the advanced class" (or something to that effect). Oddly enough, while the ones who were posting those comments were many of the ones whose posts I enjoyed here, actually seeing such comments in writing on a public board made me feel a bit icky.You're right Judy. Know what will bring them out the quickest? Post something that will cause them to have to admit their IQ.

4 pages, 2 minutes. Maybe the highly intelligent don't see it as bragging? Dunno.

See, that's the kind of thing I say that gets me into trouble.

[HammBugga]

Did you find insult in that Hamm? There certainly wasn't any intended. I am speaking in generalities.

Why are there so many splinter groups? Because everyone has their A list. And everyone has their must not have list.


Saying Tracy is shutting down her board because she doesn't like me and my friends is rather insulting. It may be true, but insulting nonetheless.

[tata]

If I were to go off on MaWhit, a few of her "friends" would come to her defense. Her not so friendly friends would be quiet and silently enjoy the berating. So, basically, your friends would be those that you pm with and probably have more of a friendship than with someone like me, for instance.
Intimate relationship between people happen. Why do I keep seeing these negative type comments about that? I often disagree with people I like a lot and sometimes agree with people I don't know or don't like. Disagreeing with someone doesn't = hate and not coming to someone's defense does not = bad person/friend.

Sheese.

[tata]

Starting a thread means nothing when few people even open it. Starting threads in which others aren't interested just proves to a person that it's probably time for her to move on.

That's true. However, I can remember when this board was FULL of TONS of people, someone's thread would always drop off the first page and get their feelings hurt because no one or very few read and/or responded. Hell, it happened to me!

[janie]

Saying Tracy is shutting down her board because she doesn't like me and my friends is rather insulting. It may be true, but insulting nonetheless.I wasn't SAYING it was you and your friends. I said it earlier, but I apologized for saying that and said I obviously didn't know if that was true. I don't know who was the "must not have" list. I was no longer suggesting you were. A group MIGHT have been.

Heck, I don't even know that to be true... just yakking.

You find a lot of offense in everything I say... even when I'm not trying to be offensive, nor personal.

[tata]

Saying Tracy is shutting down her board because she doesn't like me and my friends is rather insulting. It may be true, but insulting nonetheless.


Whoa! She said that? Where?!!!

(I'll admit that I usually just skim janie's posts 'cause she can get wordy and wrapped up in details that don't interest me.)

[janie]

Intimate relationship between people happen. Why do I keep seeing these negative type comments about that? I often disagree with people I like a lot and sometimes agree with people I don't know or don't like. Disagreeing with someone doesn't = hate and not coming to someone's defense does not = bad person/friend.

Sheese.Now I think you all are arguing with me just to have someone to argue with.

I never said there was anything wrong with making friends.

The best way to figure out a "clique" on a message board is to insult them and see who comes to their defense.

[janie]

Whoa! She said that? Where?!!!

(I'll admit that I usually just skim janie's posts 'cause she can get wordy and wrapped up in details that don't interest me.)Nobody said that.

Maybe if you'd read the details, you wouldn't get so bent out of shape and believe things that aren't true.

[tata]

Well, I have been accused of being a puppet master, so I admit I'm sensitive about that shit.

[tata]

Nobody said that.

Maybe if you'd read the details, you wouldn't get so bent out of shape and believe things that aren't true.

Well, I'd consider Hamm my friend and she doesn't go making shit up. I'll defend her on that one. :p

[Ilovemonkeys]

It might make sense but it could be worded better. Can you not see how those of us that post here would be offended by people saying it has "dumbed down?"

Yes I remember tiredoftheseHSantics. Those were fun times, not because of the dog-piling but because there was always elmo penis to be had.


But I still post here too Hamm, I never left. I consider myself one of those that post here, even though I post nowhere near as much as I used to.

[HammBugga]

Actually you did say that Janie, I do accept your apology though. I can't read your mind, only your words. So if you are saying something that could be construed as offensive, don't be surprised if someone is offended.

[Tweet]

A ,B,and C lists? I think at times it's seemed cliquey. Now isn't one of them and that's this board and IHMMB. I wouldn't be able to pin down a group that runs together for the life of me. Well, aside from the people I chat with off-board. Afaik, the only "must not have list" is the trolls.

[HammBugga]

This is what Janie said for those that have no idea what I am referring to. She did apologize later
My gut tells me you and your "followers" were a little bit responsible for the final demise of IHMMB. I could be wrong...

However, after the apology, she said something which made me think she wasn't really sorry or taking it back. She has since clarified and said she didn't mean the second post the way I took it.

[BeanBabies]

Intimate relationship between people happen. Why do I keep seeing these negative type comments about that? I often disagree with people I like a lot and sometimes agree with people I don't know or don't like. Disagreeing with someone doesn't = hate and not coming to someone's defense does not = bad person/friend.

Sheese.


Exactly.

As a matter of fact there was a thread (maybe even this one many pages ago "lol9") where I disagreed vehemently with a poster on a subject and then about half way through the thread the topic changed and all of a sudden we were posting on the same 'side'.

Maybe I was wrong and I'm not allowed to do that? ;)

[HammBugga]

But I still post here too Hamm, I never left. I consider myself one of those that post here, even though I post nowhere near as much as I used to.


You could still be saying you think we are all dumb. I know you aren't saying that NOW, but at first I thought that is what you meant. I still think it could have been worded better but I realize you didn't mean to call people here dumb.

[HammBugga]

Exactly.

As a matter of fact there was a thread (maybe even this one many pages ago "lol9") where I disagreed vehemently with a poster on a subject and then about half way through the thread the topic changed and all of a sudden we were posting on the same 'side'.

Maybe I was wrong and I'm not allowed to do that? ;)

You do that like every day. That's one of the things I like about you. You can totally disagree with me in one thread and in the next you are totally on my "side". It amuses me.

[BeanBabies]

I wasn't SAYING it was you and your friends. I said it earlier, but I apologized for saying that and said I obviously didn't know if that was true. I don't know who was the "must not have" list. I was no longer suggesting you were. A group MIGHT have been.

Heck, I don't even know that to be true... just yakking.

You find a lot of offense in everything I say... even when I'm not trying to be offensive, nor personal.


This post further cements my feelings that you know a HELL of a lot more about these two boards then you are leading everyone to believe. You've blown your load a few times on this thread about info that normal, non-caring people just don't know/guess/think/feel.

Yer loving every minute of this.

[BeanBabies]

Janie...

My gut tells me you and your "followers" were a little bit responsible for the final demise of IHMMB. I could be wrong...

Tweet...

...and yet in the next breath you say you think Hamm and her followers were likely the final demise of IHMMB? And where would you even get that?? Hamm doesn't even post that much at IHMMB,lol.



BeanBabies...
I assumed that Janie meant the reason IHMMB was shut down was because Tracy didn't want a certain "element" posting over there. Once the "element" made it's way over there, she decided to shut it down.

Janie...


Yes, I meant exactly that. But I feel bad for saying that.

But it was obvious that there was a private group here that left for there. Am I right? And if she hated THIS message board, I imagine when it basically all migrated over there, she hated THAT message board. Suggesting it was Hamm and friends was unfair because I don't know that. Obviously.

Hamm...

Saying Tracy is shutting down her board because she doesn't like me and my friends is rather insulting. It may be true, but insulting nonetheless.

Tata...

Whoa! She said that? Where?!!!

(I'll admit that I usually just skim janie's posts 'cause she can get wordy and wrapped up in details that don't interest me.)

Janie...

Nobody said that.

Maybe if you'd read the details, you wouldn't get so bent out of shape and believe things that aren't true.

[tata]

Exactly.

As a matter of fact there was a thread (maybe even this one many pages ago "lol9") where I disagreed vehemently with a poster on a subject and then about half way through the thread the topic changed and all of a sudden we were posting on the same 'side'.

Maybe I was wrong and I'm not allowed to do that? ;)


You do that like every day. That's one of the things I like about you. You can totally disagree with me in one thread and in the next you are totally on my "side". It amuses me.

Yep :D

And as I mentioned before, I consider Hamm a friend and we've disagreed quite loudly before! I'm not so intimate with Bean, but I can tell you that she has called me on my shit a number of times and agreed with a number of times, too. That's part of the appeal of message boards for me.

[pawprint]

Actually janie, I think it's worse for you and your points when you lump everyone together with "you liberals" et al. Because that's almost never accurate. And instead of debating the point people spend time proving that they are not part of your 'all'. I think you'd do a lot better if you discussed the issues and not the people. Just my two cents.

I honestly don't know who is in what clique anymore. I once did. Or thought i did. I just don't have the brain power anymore. all I know is everyone loves pawprint.

:roflol

[janie]

This post further cements my feelings that you know a HELL of a lot more about these two boards then you are leading everyone to believe. You've blown your load a few times on this thread about info that normal, non-caring people just don't know/guess/think/feel.

Yer loving every minute of this.What the heck are you talking about? I can fully admit to not being normal, but I can sum up a situation pretty darn well by observing what is around me. That's all it is, no more, no less.

I don't know what loving every minute of it means. I felt bad about was insulting Hamm and I've already admitted that. There's really not much else to love here.

Ok, I love stuff like the IQ thing because that is just a people thing. There is more to the world than bfdc/IHMMB. Things that work in the world, work on message boards.

Did you read any of that Tata? :p

[janie]

Ok, and I think I finally know where the term beanering a thread comes from!!

[KerryS]

And to bemoan the lack of conversation about quantum physics? Really?

This made me laugh. Yeah, just a bit ridiculous.

[KerryS]

Without dragging i'll just say that I think you're onto something there.


Actually, I hadn't really thought much about it, but I do think you're right.

[KerryS]

Janie, I'm starting to appreciate you a lot more after this thread.

[HammBugga]

Nice quoting skillz Beaner.

[HammBugga]

LOL. Good point.


That is a good point, and one that made me snort/chuckle at the same time which is rather uncomfortable.

[StillSingingMom]

I don't know what loving every minute of it means. I felt bad about was insulting Hamm and I've already admitted that. There's really not much else to love here.

:p


Ouch! Damned by faint praise... Okay, not really. Damned by an insult applied generally without malice aforethought.

[Justicedog]

Did someone mention lists? Am I on them? :) Cuz if we're bringing back lists, I want in on them all.

[KerryS]

J-Dawg is always on my list.

[JudyJudyJudy]

You're right Judy. Know what will bring them out the quickest? Post something that will cause them to have to admit their IQ.

4 pages, 2 minutes. Maybe the highly intelligent don't see it as bragging? Dunno.

See, that's the kind of thing I say that gets me into trouble.
Define "highly intelligent." ;)


Actually janie, I think it's worse for you and your points when you lump everyone together with "you liberals" et al. Because that's almost never accurate. And instead of debating the point people spend time proving that they are not part of your 'all'. I think you'd do a lot better if you discussed the issues and not the people. Just my two cents.
I totally agree.

I honestly don't know who is in what clique anymore. I once did. Or thought i did. I just don't have the brain power anymore. all I know is everyone loves pawprint.

:roflol
I don't think the cliques are as obvious as they used to be. And I'm pretty sure that I'm friends with people who don't even like each other, so that's not a very good clique. :p

[steelady]

You're right Judy. Know what will bring them out the quickest? Post something that will cause them to have to admit their IQ.

4 pages, 2 minutes. Maybe the highly intelligent don't see it as bragging? Dunno.

See, that's the kind of thing I say that gets me into trouble.
Ah yes, now I recall why I ultimately left. This type of she said/she said resulting in nothing but bad feelings of insult all the way around.

I'm sure I'm not included in this description (I'm concieted/blind enough to assume this), yet I still feel insulted.

As XL would say, I'm cramming my foot into a shoe that doesn't fit.

/all about me.

Carry on.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Ah yes, now I recall why I ultimately left. This type of she said/she said resulting in nothing but bad feelings of insult all the way around.

I'm sure I'm not included in this description (I'm concieted/blind enough to assume this), yet I still feel insulted.

As XL would say, I'm cramming my foot into a shoe that doesn't fit.

/all about me.

Carry on.
Wow. Now I'm insulted. You're letting Janie speak for the board and "remembering why you left" as a result?

[steelady]

Wow. Now I'm insulted. You're letting Janie speak for the board and "remembering why you left" as a result?

No, I'm not letting Janie speak for the board. But it was the feeling that the people left all thought they were smarter than this board (as you stated), that those who left were mean and dog-piling, etc. etc. etc.

I'm not denying (or agreeing with) what you all were saying. I'm sure they don't apply to me, but I still feel/felt insulted (because that's not how I am) and was uncomfortable/paranoid about how I was viewed.

It was/is my issue and shouldn't be attributed to any person here. It's not a rational thing, and you (or anyone here) shouldn't take it personally.

And I should have refrained from commenting since I knew I was likely not explaining my self well (and I'm probably still not explaining myself well).

[janie]

Oh for goodness sakes, don't let me speak for this board at all.

Heavens, they would sooner spork out my eyes than let me speak for them.

If you all take it this seriously, and I keep people from feeling free to post at this board, I will gladly bow out.

[tata]

Ah yes, now I recall why I ultimately left. This type of she said/she said resulting in nothing but bad feelings of insult all the way around.

I'm sure I'm not included in this description (I'm concieted/blind enough to assume this), yet I still feel insulted.

As XL would say, I'm cramming my foot into a shoe that doesn't fit.

/all about me.

Carry on.


Wow. Now I'm insulted. You're letting Janie speak for the board and "remembering why you left" as a result?
I agree with Judy here. I also agree whole-heartedly with paw's analysis-post upthread wherein she states that janie's point is often lost in the in all the accusations of "you all." People are so busy defending that and janie's subsequent posts are so busy trying to clarify what she meant that janie comes off as completely harmless to me 90% of the time. I really only see her post in topics I would deem highly controversial, but then I don't read all the threads.

I personally feel like the issue that steel claims is why she left was worse before GMB2008. I agree with Tiffers; the dog-piling and witch hunts are definitely far fewer these days. Despite it being a lot slower around here lately, it is certainly a lot more civil and respectable. Still not everyone likes everyone else, but threads rarely digress into issues of nitpicking, scrutinizing and semantics.

[Amy_G_]

Ah yes, now I recall why I ultimately left. This type of she said/she said resulting in nothing but bad feelings of insult all the way around.

I'm sure I'm not included in this description (I'm concieted/blind enough to assume this), yet I still feel insulted.

As XL would say, I'm cramming my foot into a shoe that doesn't fit.

/all about me.

Carry on.

yeah I think there is some of that going on by everyone.
I think it's been an interesting discussion and really don't think there is cause for alarm and hurt feelings. but just cause I don't think so, doesn't make it so.

I remembered right after IHMMB opened I went over to see if I wanted to join and someone was saying how they were glad I wasn't there, with an ensuing high five from a couple others.

I had been a but, um, vocal and critical about the map issue, and some didn't want my kind over there.

They were jumped on by others, with Diva saying "everyone is welcome", but it was tainted by then. So I lurked instead and probably kept a bit of hard feelings about feeling unwelcome.

I don't have the link from their new board, so perhaps that will break all remaining ties and hard feelings and get me down to 2 boards to read daily instead of 3? ;)

It's kind weird to read all the "pm me with the name of the board" posts when the whole board is supposed to be in on it's demise together.

Same kind of post for pm's went on over here when there was the Mass Exodus.

[tata]

No, I'm not letting Janie speak for the board. But it was the feeling that the people left all thought they were smarter than this board (as you stated), that those who left were mean and dog-piling, etc. etc. etc.

I'm not denying (or agreeing with) what you all were saying. I'm sure they don't apply to me, but I still feel/felt insulted (because that's not how I am) and was uncomfortable/paranoid about how I was viewed.

It was/is my issue and shouldn't be attributed to any person here. It's not a rational thing, and you (or anyone here) shouldn't take it personally.

And I should have refrained from commenting since I knew I was likely not explaining my self well (and I'm probably still not explaining myself well).
Okay, this I can understand. I think there are a lot of people here (myself included) that feel similarly. I also feel uncomfortable/paranoid which is why I never went there. I know it's my issue, too. Just like it's my issue that - as I posted way upthread - I'm all weirded out that people aren't coming back here because they are still pissed at me.

[Ma_Whit]

The only reason for PMing instead of openly posting the link is that we're unsure if the board will hold up to the traffic and posting load. If it's still functioning in a few days, the link will likely become public and we'll cross our fingers and hope for the best. :)

[Ilovemonkeys]

Janie...


Quote:
My gut tells me you and your "followers" were a little bit responsible for the final demise of IHMMB. I could be wrong...

Tweet...


Quote:
...and yet in the next breath you say you think Hamm and her followers were likely the final demise of IHMMB? And where would you even get that?? Hamm doesn't even post that much at IHMMB,lol.



BeanBabies...

Quote:
I assumed that Janie meant the reason IHMMB was shut down was because Tracy didn't want a certain "element" posting over there. Once the "element" made it's way over there, she decided to shut it down.

Janie...



Quote:
Yes, I meant exactly that. But I feel bad for saying that.

But it was obvious that there was a private group here that left for there. Am I right? And if she hated THIS message board, I imagine when it basically all migrated over there, she hated THAT message board. Suggesting it was Hamm and friends was unfair because I don't know that. Obviously.

Hamm...


Quote:
Saying Tracy is shutting down her board because she doesn't like me and my friends is rather insulting. It may be true, but insulting nonetheless.

Tata...


Quote:
Whoa! She said that? Where?!!!

(I'll admit that I usually just skim janie's posts 'cause she can get wordy and wrapped up in details that don't interest me.)

Janie...


Quote:
Nobody said that.

Maybe if you'd read the details, you wouldn't get so bent out of shape and believe things that aren't true.





http://www.audiosparx.com/sa/play/port_lofi.cfm/sound_iid.60812

[Amy_G_]

The only reason for PMing instead of openly posting the link is that we're unsure if the board will hold up to the traffic and posting load. If it's still functioning in a few days, the link will likely become public and we'll cross our fingers and hope for the best. :)
I understand the reasoning behind it,
the parallels to last time are interesting.

I would also figure that someone is putting time into creating a board, and you have 2 weeks to get it to work fully--I'd probably want to do a trial by fire and get a bunch of hits and see if it breaks. Otherwise, wait a couple more days and then if it breaks there is even less time to find a viable option elsewhere eh?

[Ma_Whit]

Yeah, I agree. Not my decision,though. :)

[Ilovemonkeys]

Okay, this I can understand. I think there are a lot of people here (myself included) that feel similarly. I also feel uncomfortable/paranoid which is why I never went there. I know it's my issue, too. Just like it's my issue that - as I posted way upthread - I'm all weirded out that people aren't coming back here because they are still pissed at me.


Well fuck them. That's all I have to say. I think that whole thing was overblown and stupid.

[tata]

Fair enough. But how come you are saying it to me and not to steel?

[steelady]

Fair enough. But how come you are saying it to me and not to steel?


No nesting quotes?

I'm not even sure what she said LOL

must be time for bed.

[JudyJudyJudy]

No, I'm not letting Janie speak for the board. But it was the feeling that the people left all thought they were smarter than this board (as you stated), that those who left were mean and dog-piling, etc. etc. etc.

I'm not denying (or agreeing with) what you all were saying. I'm sure they don't apply to me, but I still feel/felt insulted (because that's not how I am) and was uncomfortable/paranoid about how I was viewed.

It was/is my issue and shouldn't be attributed to any person here. It's not a rational thing, and you (or anyone here) shouldn't take it personally.

And I should have refrained from commenting since I knew I was likely not explaining my self well (and I'm probably still not explaining myself well).
Wrong. I've repeatedly said that I don't think that MOST feel that way, and I certainly never said ALL. (Speaking of he said/she said)

With that, I'm done. I have real shit to deal with right now, and I honestly don't know how much more I can take. I'm about as goddamned close to a nervous breakdown as I've ever been. I certainly don't have time for this.

[Amy_G_]

Judy,
I wish I could help you in some tangible way.
You know me, I don't do this, but
(hugs)
and just cause it will probably annoy you ;) (prayers)

[pawprint]

yeah

I remembered right after IHMMB opened I went over to see if I wanted to join and someone was saying how they were glad I wasn't there, with an ensuing high five from a couple others.


Dammit. I tried to make hidesome go away with this approach to no avail. I think this proves you are human and hidesome is a cyborg. ;)

eta: I'm kidding amy. all in good fun.; it's late, lol.

[Amy_G_]

I'm not really sure if Hidesome is a cyborg.
He's a guy, we know guys are not very sensitive. or at least can't SHOW that they are sensitive.

[tata]

Aww, I think hidesome is really cool. But then the only other forum I've ever participated was predominantly male and there was a lot of their dry, rational and often sarcastic flair that I love so much.

[kasumisniper]

yeah I think there is some of that going on by everyone.
I think it's been an interesting discussion and really don't think there is cause for alarm and hurt feelings. but just cause I don't think so, doesn't make it so.

I remembered right after IHMMB opened I went over to see if I wanted to join and someone was saying how they were glad I wasn't there, with an ensuing high five from a couple others.

I had been a but, um, vocal and critical about the map issue, and some didn't want my kind over there.

They were jumped on by others, with Diva saying "everyone is welcome", but it was tainted by then. So I lurked instead and probably kept a bit of hard feelings about feeling unwelcome.
I didn't see who said that, but I do remember whole threads attacking me for attacking you. lol

I don't have the link from their new board, so perhaps that will break all remaining ties and hard feelings and get me down to 2 boards to read daily instead of 3? ;)

It's kind weird to read all the "pm me with the name of the board" posts when the whole board is supposed to be in on it's demise together.

Same kind of post for pm's went on over here when there was the Mass Exodus.

I noticed that too.

[kasumisniper]

Wrong. I've repeatedly said that I don't think that MOST feel that way, and I certainly never said ALL. (Speaking of he said/she said)

With that, I'm done. I have real shit to deal with right now, and I honestly don't know how much more I can take. I'm about as goddamned close to a nervous breakdown as I've ever been. I certainly don't have time for this.


I hope everything is okay.

[Tweet]

Now I think you all are arguing with me just to have someone to argue with.

I never said there was anything wrong with making friends.

The best way to figure out a "clique" on a message board is to insult them and see who comes to their defense.

Meh. I can't agree. In fact, I just came to someone's defense on the other board and I don't talk to said person very often. We aren't posting buddies nor do we chat behind the scenes. In fact, I've done that a lot. And on the flip side of that, I've openly disagreed with the folks that I do chat with outside this board.

I doubt I'm the only that takes up for people that aren't close to them or in a group/clique with them.

[Tweet]

No, I'm not letting Janie speak for the board. But it was the feeling that the people left all thought they were smarter than this board (as you stated), that those who left were mean and dog-piling, etc. etc. etc.

I'm not denying (or agreeing with) what you all were saying. I'm sure they don't apply to me, but I still feel/felt insulted (because that's not how I am) and was uncomfortable/paranoid about how I was viewed.

It was/is my issue and shouldn't be attributed to any person here. It's not a rational thing, and you (or anyone here) shouldn't take it personally.

And I should have refrained from commenting since I knew I was likely not explaining my self well (and I'm probably still not explaining myself well).


Steel, I do remember talking about that on a thread here when the split first happened. Now,the reason I said back then that some seemed to think that those of us left were just uneducated was because like Judy, I'd lurked in those early days and did not register. Post after post said things like 'we're the advanced class" and "the board was just becoming dumbed down" and " I prefer the intelligent women here" and " the element that is now at bf.com is just not classy" . There was more,too. Those stuck with me because I wondered who in the hell were they talking about.

I can't speak for everyone that had the feeling that the uneducated/least intelligent posters were a part of why people left,but for me..I had that feeling because of those comments that I read when I lurked in the beginning. And there so,so many "ICAM!!." that I lost track of even who said what and who agreed with them. It sure seemed like a hell of a lot of people,though. So,that's why I wondered how much of that was a factor in leaving. Or,rather, that they were more free to finally say so once they were no longer here. I didn't really know and still don't.

And I'm guilty of cramming the shoe on my foot,too. I've suffered most of my life with a learning disability and while I *can* learn and am not stupid, I'm sensitive about it to this day and can get paranoid about it. Comments like that tend to tear my stomach up. Well,they used to. I've found that a lot of times I don't have space in my heart or head to care. But sometimes it still pulls at me and I'll feel not quite good enough. And no, I know you personally do not feel this way.

[Crabbie]

I think the board split was one of the worst things many of us went through. People at both sites were left wondering if the negative things that were said were aimed at them.

Pure yuk in the end.

[MMof5]

Judy, I'm thinking of you. PM me if you need to vent. Shoot, I'll even call you if you need a listening ear. No, I'm not joking. I have a great calling plan.

As for the rest of this, if there is a list, I don't want to know to which I belong. LOL!

[janie]

It's funny. You keep insisting there are no cliques when in fact, you have shown several examples here where people who left for THAT board, made reference to those at THIS board... and they still do. If that ain't a clique, what is it?

There are cliques. Just because you have a friend in both the emo and the band geeks, does not mean there aren't cliques. It's not a big deal, it just is. You can't, on one hand, have the essences of human nature (such as intimate friends, casual friends, acquaintances) and then on the other hand (cliques, bullying, dogpiling) deny that.

Judy, I'm thinkin' about ya. When you get to the end of your rope, you know that saying... hang on. Plenty of people here to hold that other end. Sometimes we get so overwhelmed that we can't find good anymore.

Look for it today. Even if it's one little thing, it's something to hold on to.

If there's one thing I saw A LOT of, it was that many people here (and there) think you're special. That seems to be a constant across the boards.

Depend on the people here. They care about you. Even the cliquey and the dumb. :)

Even me!

[KerryS]

It's kind weird to read all the "pm me with the name of the board" posts when the whole board is supposed to be in on it's demise together.

Same kind of post for pm's went on over here when there was the Mass Exodus.


I completely agree with that. It does seem weird that the link wasn't just posted.

[KerryS]

The only reason for PMing instead of openly posting the link is that we're unsure if the board will hold up to the traffic and posting load. If it's still functioning in a few days, the link will likely become public and we'll cross our fingers and hope for the best. :)

Oh, okay. That makes sense. I've only been there once or twice.

[pawprint]

Janie, I regularly defend people i don't have any particular relationship with. i defend people I barely know!

[MMof5]

I don't have a lot in common with Pawprint, but I feel we have a connection because of something specific she helped me with a couple years ago. I'll always be grateful.

I have a connection to just about everyone here, I guess. Though I don't think I belong to any clique. If I do, mine doesn't send out PMs. Hint hint.

[pawprint]

I don't have a lot in common with Pawprint, but I feel we have a connection because of something specific she helped me with a couple years ago. I'll always be grateful.

I have a connection to just about everyone here, I guess. Though I don't think I belong to any clique. If I do, mine doesn't send out PMs. Hint hint.

I know what you are talking about. even though we vehemently disagree about... lots and lots of things, lol- I shared that with you because even though you can drive me batty- I knew you were trustworthy. I'm glad that helped you.

[Tweet]

There very well might be cliques. I really don't care. I'm saying I wouldn't be able to identify who is in what clique. As for the message boards, I don't see them as these huge cliques. They're just message boards.

If I have time later, I'll look into and be happy to get into a more in depth conversation about what constitutes a clique. Right now I've got to do some stuff. I do think it could be an interesting element to the discussion. I think that the main blow ups here at times had everything to do with perceived and real cliques. I just don't see the two boards NOW ,after all this time has passed as two separate cliques. Perhaps it's only my perception and mine alone.

[Tweet]

And Judy, I PMd you last night,so you know.

[Amy_G_]

It's funny. You keep insisting there are no cliques when in fact, you have shown several examples here where people who left for THAT board, made reference to those at THIS board... and they still do. If that ain't a clique, what is it?

There are cliques. Just because you have a friend in both the emo and the band geeks, does not mean there aren't cliques. It's not a big deal, it just is. You can't, on one hand, have the essences of human nature (such as intimate friends, casual friends, acquaintances) and then on the other hand (cliques, bullying, dogpiling) deny that.

Judy, I'm thinkin' about ya. When you get to the end of your rope, you know that saying... hang on. Plenty of people here to hold that other end. Sometimes we get so overwhelmed that we can't find good anymore.

Look for it today. Even if it's one little thing, it's something to hold on to.

If there's one thing I saw A LOT of, it was that many people here (and there) think you're special. That seems to be a constant across the boards.

Depend on the people here. They care about you. Even the cliquey and the dumb. :)

Even me!
That's probably the nicest thing I've ever seen you type Janie.

Judy, tie a knot and hang on.

[Ma_Whit]

As soon as the board gets its own name and new URL, the link will be posted publicly. :)

[steelady]

Wrong. I've repeatedly said that I don't think that MOST feel that way, and I certainly never said ALL. (Speaking of he said/she said)

With that, I'm done. I have real shit to deal with right now, and I honestly don't know how much more I can take. I'm about as goddamned close to a nervous breakdown as I've ever been. I certainly don't have time for this.

I'm obviously not explaining myself well, since my point was merely that I am taking things incorrectly and was feeling defensive without cause, hence I left. I am having difficulty putting it into words, but ultimately this is a failing problem in me/my own head and not caused by any person here or there or anywhere.

I'm sorry for any and all hurt/anger/sadness my posts have brung to you. That was not my intention.

[RaisingThemLeft]

The best way to figure out a "clique" on a message board is to insult them and see who comes to their defense.

I'm not sure that's such a great way. I have come to someone's defense on one thread only to be aruging with them in a different thread. I have come to hidesome's defense on more than one occasion regarding the infamous dog shooting incident. Am I in hidesome's "clique"? I don't think he wants me:p

[StillSingingMom]

I'm going to start a clique so exclusive that even I won't be allowed in.

[sarsie1]

I know you didn't mean it that way, and I feel pretty sure that most who have continued to cross-post don't, either, but I know that some do feel that way. I remember when IHMMB first started, and I was debating on whether or not I wanted to join, I lurked there briefly and saw numerous comments like "We're the advanced class" (or something to that effect). Oddly enough, while the ones who were posting those comments were many of the ones whose posts I enjoyed here, actually seeing such comments in writing on a public board made me feel a bit icky.

Just coming back to this (I've spent the last 36 hours or so vomiting, shitting, and being hospitalized..but all's well now..I think!)

Anyway, I wanted to say-I took some time before I migrated over so I didn't see any of these posts. I will say that I rarely saw much mention of BFDC in any bad light (other than Vic and the Map (why do I hear "The map! the map! Dora-style in my head?))...anyway, once the initial migration took place, as far as I can tell, there wasn't much more of that stuff. I didn't even go look for a little while after the initial split, I was going to stay here...it took me a couple weeks? I don't know a month? Something--long enough that at one point, I know I did see a post when I finally got over there of someone asking if I had gone over and someone else saying, "If sarsie was going to come, I imagine she'd have already been here." So, I didn't see any of the initial posts like this, but I can say that from when *I* went over, I rarely saw much m ention of BFDC at all, one way or the other.

[still_me]

LOL SSM.


I'm not in a clique at all. There are two people I keep in touch with outside of this site. That being said, I bet I can be accused of saying I'm not in a clique which is really a clique of people who say the same thing.

[HammBugga]

Still_me you are in my clique because you sort of came to my defense in this thread. By all accounts it's just you me and tweet.

[Babyhellfire]

I will say that I rarely saw much mention of BFDC in any bad light (other than Vic and the Map (why do I hear "The map! the map! Dora-style in my head?))...

reminds me of something I made for CanadianMom....





http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/babyhellfire/junk-n-stuff/doracopy-1.jpg


I hope you are feeling better sarsie.

There are so many I would LOVE to see come back here, I understand many won't- I have only lurked a teeny bit there and seen soo many I have missed..

but I dunno I just didn't ever really feel comfortable reging there.
Whether that feeling was real feeling of unwelcome , or just perceived( most likely considering my tendency towards such anxiety) - I still felt it, and have sort of mourned the loss of that connection with many people who never returned here.

[EvilAmy]

OMG, LOL just when I get the remnants of yogurt out of my keyboard (Xander did it that one) I now have milk and oreo bits all over the place.

[still_me]

Still_me you are in my clique because you sort of came to my defense in this thread. By all accounts it's just you me and tweet.


Well heck. Who gets to be the leader in that group? We're all strong opinionated women. We'll have to thumb wrestle one day and see who gets it.




And that Dora thing is fascinating and amazingly scary all at the same time.

[hidesome]

I'm not sure that's such a great way. I have come to someone's defense on one thread only to be aruging with them in a different thread. I have come to hidesome's defense on more than one occasion regarding the infamous dog shooting incident. Am I in hidesome's "clique"? I don't think he wants me:p

No, RTL, in the accepted parlance of the day, you are what is known as a 'fawner' (TM). Thanks for the spirited defense anyway.

[kasumisniper]

Boho was my clique. Now she's gone though! *cries*

[HammBugga]

Well heck. Who gets to be the leader in that group? We're all strong opinionated women. We'll have to thumb wrestle one day and see who gets it.




And that Dora thing is fascinating and amazingly scary all at the same time.

I'll be your minion because when the shit hits the fan people will blame you.

[Ma_Whit]

La Sobremesa means after-dinner conversation with friends.


www.LaSobremesa.org

[Amy_G_]

I clicked on your link and saw a lot of members and posts,
but then went back and it said there were 15 members and no posts.
so, um,
guess I can quit stalking people if the board isn't working.
I deleted my link to IHMMB.
maybe I'll spend more time cleaning house for the fall. ;)

[Ilovemonkeys]

I can't log back in, is it still broken?

[steelady]

I can't log back in, is it still broken?


No, it was working for me this evening.

There did seem to be a problem when we switched to the new name.

[Ma_Whit]

Should be working. Some settings got tweaked between having to register to view anything and being able to see the main page without registering. So just register, to be safe. :)

[Amy_G_]

eh, gotta register to view anything, so it will keep me from lurking.
that's not a bad thing.... ;)

[Babyblue]

I need minions IRL. there is too much to do around here for one person.

[Babyhellfire]

Do minions vacuum??
... I think I need roomba minions

[StillSingingMom]

My minons vacuum. They also scrub the shower.

[still_me]

Hey minon! I need a virus taken off of my computer. It cheated on me, and now it's STD is blocking my work! Seriously...I have been fighting with getting this Trojan off for a couple days now.

[Candi]

Your computer probably picked up the STD from Mogey's posts.

[Camille]

still_me, have you tried going into safe mode, searching for and removing the file? Some of those stupid trojans copy themselves a bazillion times and/or refuse to allow you to delete it unless you're in safe mode.

[_Viva_]

I read this whole damn thread.

I want my cookie now.

[tata]

http://thehealthblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/cookie.jpg


But don't tell Monkeytoes...

[_Viva_]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm for that, I could take Monkeytoes. I grew up with brothers. For that cookie, I could take hidesome.

[MiMi_of_4]

I'll arm wrestle you for that cookie, Viva! And I think you could take hidesome, too...snicker...

[_Viva_]

I don't know bout arm wrestling, but I bet I could outrun you on the elliptical! Oh, wait, I never actually *get* anywhere on this thing.....

[Sputterduck]

I would not take Mimi on arm wrestling. The best arm wrestler I ever went up against was my grandma. It's makes me wary of going up against any grandma now.

[EvilAmy]

Hey minon! I need a virus taken off of my computer. It cheated on me, and now it's STD is blocking my work! Seriously...I have been fighting with getting this Trojan off for a couple days now.

That stinks. I caught one surfing a recipe site it was somewhere in the pork section of recipegoldmine. It disabled my Avast, it's firewall, my other firewalls and imbedded itself in my drives. I couldn't run in safe mode. In the end it had basically sabotaged my computer so that I couldn't wipe my computer clean and do a system restore with the Windows CD. BIL even had no luck trying to fix it. Luckily BIL had a Ubuntu program. So now my computer operates on Ubuntu instead of Windows. I admit I was amused how fast and how many porn shortcuts they managed to install onto my main screen before I diconnected. I hope you get it fixed.

[MiMi_of_4]

I don't know bout arm wrestling, but I bet I could outrun you on the elliptical! Oh, wait, I never actually *get* anywhere on this thing.....

:hugegrin: I bet I can eat this chocolate faster than you can ~ "easter"

[MiMi_of_4]

I would not take Mimi on arm wrestling. The best arm wrestler I ever went up against was my grandma. It's makes me wary of going up against any grandma now.

LMAO, sputter!

[still_me]

still_me, have you tried going into safe mode, searching for and removing the file? Some of those stupid trojans copy themselves a bazillion times and/or refuse to allow you to delete it unless you're in safe mode.


This is exactly what I did. lol Someone else on the site that I get help from did that, so I taught myself how. :) I was able to get in and clean it out enough to continue to work on here. It is almost better. I think we are going to reformat our computer just because it needs it.