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LadyLiberty
12-02-2007, 03:14 PM
Hello all and welcome to the new boards. I feel remiss that I did not save the items from our old board as so many moms had allowed their experiences, some of them very raw, to pour out on our pages. Unfortunately, they have since been lost.

So, I would like to start a new beginning here and hopefully it will be cathartic to others as the old one was to me. Below is the story I posted on the old boards, except that I have now spell checked it, :D, changed some terms to be more precise, and dated it.

Any who feel moved, please feel free to add your story or start another thread specific to your own traumatic birth.

Heather


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Originally posted September 2005

I had my c/s in March (of 2005) and I am still seething with anger. I thought time would cool me off a bit, but no such luck. I was pregnant with twins, perfectly healthy throughout. Being a tall woman, I had plenty of room to physically carry them compared to the average woman. I was not truly worried about going into early labor, but OBs continuously telling me how things would happen and what they would do. This being my second pregnancy, I just rolled my eyes and thought that I would be able to advocate for myself.

At 36 weeks, saw a new doctor since my usual had no open appointments. New doc says he is putting me on the induction schedule for 38 weeks. I ask why. Immediately, he is defensive and asks why I don't want to be induced. I tell him that I was induced with my first son and it was Hell and did not want a repeat. He gets very condescending with me and calls the MFM person while I sit there. They have a nice conversation about me, neither bothering to care what is actually in my medical file. He gets off the phone and reports that ACOG does indeed recommend induction at 38 weeks for twins, as if that is the end of it.

He gives me a one minute talk on the stats that say that there is an increased risk of placental failure at 38 weeks for twins just as there is a 42 weeks for singletons. I say that those are just stats and my babies are fine. I refuse the induction. He tells me to think about it and come back at 38 and if I don't agree, then I will have to sign a statement that says I am refusing recommended medical care. He gives me a biophysical profile, which comes out perfect!! I smile smugly and ask him about the specific stats on placental failure. He doesn't know exactly he says, but it's like three times higher. I go home and check and sure enough, it's three times higher. You know what three times higher came out to be? Yup, there was a huge and stupefying risk of 0.03% chance of placental failure. Yes, the decimal is in the right spot there. It's less than one third of 1%. I decided against induction and can't believe these guys. I knew the war was on and felt a little scared. Being in the Army, you can't just fire your doctor and find someone you get along with.

At 38 weeks, I go in for check. I get doc I have seen once or twice. He does not mention induction and I keep my mouth shut. But, when I come back at 39 for a non-stress test, I get the guy from 36 weeks again. They do the test and he says he is sending me upstairs to "be evaluated for induction" because my babies aren't showing significant movement. Of course, I know they are sleeping and he won't agree to let me eat anything to check again. He says he is going to check my cervix and I agree. He strips my membranes without my permission and makes me bleed all over. I did not know what he had done at first because I had not had my membranes stripped with my first pregnancy. I thought he was just too aggressive.

When I get upstairs, I get another jackass doc. He says, "So, we're admitting you for induction.” I tell him no. He then tells me that the doc downstairs said there was a dip in Baby A's heart rate that signifies distress and they need to come out. I ask how much distress induction causes. He fumbles for his words and says it is more important to get the babies out because I'm too far along. I ask too far along for what. He tells me that there is no value in them remaining in utero. I say, if there were no value then I'd be in labor.

Then this guy really turns ugly. He tells me that the dip indicates a serious problem with one of my babies and asked why I wanted to put him in jeopardy. I tell him that the same dip he is showing me is what another doctor called an indication of baby moving when I came in several weeks before that. He says that's not the case today. I ask how he knows and he says the shape of the dissent shows. It was the same. Then, he says that I am a soldier and really, they are Army doctors and only care about me the soldier. So, he says I am responsible for the care of my babies and I could just sit there and watch my baby die on the monitor if I wanted to and they wouldn't stop it. I still refuse induction. He finally resorts to pulling rank on me. He says that if I refuse induction that he will order me into an L & D room until I go into labor. My husband asks if that is some kind of punishment until I see his point of view. Again, he fumbles for words and says that this is one way of looking at it. I decide in my own head that he could do that if he wanted and I would sit in an L & D room until my belly exploded before I would accept induction from him. Nearly five hours later, he comes in and says that the JAG attorney says he can't keep me, but makes me sign the AMA statement. I leave.

Finally, 40 weeks rolls around. I get another new doc. He tells me that I am doing the smart thing waiting for labor to start. I wasn't sure I had heard him correctly. The heavens opened and the angels sang. Wow. I scheduled another non-stress test for three days later. When I show up, I get a female doc who I had seen a few times. She gives us the same old you-need-to-be-induced speech. I say no, but I ask her to strip my membranes. I ask her the risks of that and she says only that labor might begin, which is what we want anyway. (Another lie. Stripping weakens the sac and often causes leaking or complete breakage with no onset of labor. Bad.) Go ahead I say. As she is doing it, I realize with horror that 36-week doc had already done this. I get a creepy feeling all over and feel like throwing up. I already had a bad vibe during that rough "exam" he had given me and now at 40+ weeks, the horror of recognition is washing over me. I put it on the back burner and decide that I will focus on my babies.

I had tentatively agreed to be induced at 41 weeks if the stripping didn't cause anything to happen. But, at 3:30 AM on the morning I am supposed to go in, my water breaks. I don't know how much it is, but it continues to run out. I am assuming at that point that the baby's head is plugging the majority of it, but that I'm leaking when I move and subsequently his head moves. I am so happy because I feel like I'll be able to just go into labor. Because I have twins and have paranoia about prolapsed cord, I decide that we should go to the hospital to get checked. We get there at about 8 am. I am 3cm, 50%, and soft. The doctor says he wants me to stay. I say no IV and it is on. He insists that I need pitocin because my water broke so long ago and no labor. He tells me (another lie) that if it doesn't begin in about four hours after water breaking that it probably won't. Funny! Would I just stay pregnant forever?

Fine, give me the pitocin, which of course requires an IV, continuous monitoring, and restriction from tub and shower. Fabulous. All day I have contractions. Only one was even remotely painful. I play cards, watch TV, talk to DH, nap. I am painfully bored. (At this point, I think I am safe from 36-week doc and the jackass because I had asked who would be on duty in the L & D and they weren't told to me.) Finally, 7:45 rolls around and new resident shows up. I realize that it is shift change and ask who the attending is. Sure enough, it is the 36-week, membrane-stripping creep! If I had it to do over again, this is where I would have removed the IV, asked for prophylactic antibiotics, and gone home. However, we felt like we were trapped and had too much invested.

I tried to talk to resident. We told her we didn't want attending touching me. She agreed, but said that he would be present in OR for birth as only attending. OR? Yup, all twins are born in the OR. Not a good sign. I try to talk to her about my birth plan. She says that we will cross all bridges when we get to them and not to get ahead of myself. In retrospect, this is OB speak for, "I will be managing your care. I don't give a rat's behind about what you want. If you shut up now, I won't even have to hear what you want because when you're in heavy labor, you won't be able to talk to me easily or refuse any old procedure I throw at you.” Hindsight is 20/20.

So, she insists that we should break my water. I am confused and she informs me that I was merely leaking with a small hole before. That would have been good info at 8 am!!! Fine, I say. She breaks it and I immediately begin having serious contractions which I can only assume are intensified by the very high dose of pitocin that I'm still receiving. Twenty minutes later, she comes in and says that she wants Baby A on internal monitoring because they external can't tell the difference between the two babies. Fine. I'm already pretty much stuck in the bed, so whatever at this point as I'm trying to concentrate. Ten minutes after that and after my last trip to the bathroom off the monitor, she comes in to report that I must use a bedpan because it is too risky for me to be off the monitor. Risky to whom? Fine.

I am laboring hard and the nurse says my profile is not good and they will have to up the pitocin. According to day shift doctor, I'm already at max. Resident says she can order it higher for bad profile. Profile is where they measure the intensity of the contraction according to the monitor to see if you are making adequate progress with contractions. I say no. My only break is that attending agrees that if I'm feeling them, then they are probably working so we can wait a while to see if more pit is needed.

Now, resident comes back in and says Baby A is in distress. You think? Pit all day, stripping membranes, internal monitor, HEAVY labor, no movement by me. Duh! She reinfuses my amniotic sac with saline to give him some cushion. I hear a fuzzy conversation about possible c/s and a couple of tears come out. I was so into advocating for myself but I am not a talker during labor. My husband knows what I want, but he doesn't know all the ins and outs of why. So, when he tells them no, they give him a rash of technical sounding crap to which he doesn't know how to respond and my ability to resist is fading. I feel like the Borg are taking over my body. (Lame Star Trek reference. Please ignore unless you dig ST.)

The whole time, they keep offering me drugs and telling me that I do not have to bear my pain. I mostly ignore it since I prepared for natural. But, docs, nurses, CNAs, and everybody else in the hospital kept coming in and talking too loud, turning on bright lights, and asking me ridiculous questions despite our requests to the opposite. Finally, I start to feel like maybe I can't do it anymore. I start to tear up again and wonder if I will weaken and get an epidural. My concentration has to be strong, but my mind keeps wandering to my greatest fear, that Baby B will turn breech after Baby A is born and they won't let me deliver breech. Sure enough, resident comes in and asks what we want if that happens. I say breech extraction since they don't allow breech delivery in this hospital. She says attending doesn't do that. I ask for doc on call and SHE REFUSES! Of course, I am powerless to do anything about it at that point. So, I choose to bury my head in the sand and hope that it doesn't happen.

At last, I feel the urge to push. I am elated! With my first child, the epidural masked my urge to push so I didn't know what it would feel like. We went to the OR. They made my husband wait in the hallway because they "needed to get me oriented in the OR first" and they needed room to maneuver. Mind you, the OR was big enough to land a plane in. Then, before I know it, since my eyes are closed and I continue to focus on my relaxation, attending is checking AND HURTING me again. I start to moan. He asks if I am having a contraction and I say no that you're hurting me. He makes no attempt to stop what he's doing. I say, now I'm having a contraction and he tells me to push. I glare at him and it takes all my focus. I do NOT push because my husband is still in the freaking hallway.

They let him in and attending gets very close to my ear and tells me that he will count to 10 and I will push. I do not answer because I know that I will not be doing that and that my body obviously knows when to push. He asks if I heard him. I give him a stern and irritated yes. My husband comes over and attending begins to count while resident is in the catcher position. I ignore the counting and listen to my husband who is doing just what we practiced. I push as long as I can without busting any blood vessels in my face, take a rest, push again, and relax. I feel my first baby coming down. I know that it will be cake compared to older DS. Next contraction, I again ignore attending and listen to my husband. I feel baby crowning and can't help but continue pushing and he is out. Only 10 minutes of pushing and I have a beautiful boy. I am not allowed to touch him or hold him. Then, baby nurses stand in front of him on the warmer and I can't even see him. They whisk him away to the NICU, even though he has APGARs of 8 and 9 because I am busy having twins and can't have the first baby interfering. Hospital policy they say.

Attending uses ultrasound to check Twin B. He announces that he has turned breech and says, "Prep her for c/s!” He doesn't allow DH or me to see ultrasound picture. He refuses to attempt external version. He refuses to do breech extraction, which while not great, is at least better than a major surgery. He is now ignoring me and acting quite pleased with himself. They crank up the epidural in a hurry. I ask them to lower the curtain so I can see the birth and to tell me what they are doing when the do it. They tell me that they will certainly do those things. Yet another lie! Finally, the epidural is working and they begin. They never talk to me, never lower, the curtain, do not allow photos. The epidural begins going to high and I can't swallow and am beginning to panic. I tell the anesthesiologist. Attending suggests knocking me out to avoid. Thankfully, anesthesiologist says I'll be fine. Again, nurses in front of my baby and I can't even see him.

I got one kiss on the cheek to each of them before they took them away. After second baby is ready to go, I tell my husband to go be with babies. We had already told all nurses that we were bf and didn't want any formula, bottles, or pacifiers. Both babies were perfectly healthy, but they kept them in the NICU while I was sent to ICU recovery. Stupid! I was crushed. I had a c/s, which felt like a failure. It was made worse because I knew that it was unnecessary.

NICU decided that they needed to run tests on my babies because of...yes, policy. Twin B had low blood sugar according to them and they gave him formula in a bottle without our permission. Once I recovered, I went to the mother-baby unit. I asked my nurse when I could get my babies. She said she would call and check for me. She proceeded to do a one-hour, completely incompetent, and certainly slow exam and check in procedures with me before calling. Finally, my husband followed her to the nurses' station until she called with him waiting. They said that we had to wait until four hours post-partum. I told the nurse that it was not acceptable because they were healthy, I was recovered, and I NEEDED to bf.

It was three hours and 40 minutes before I saw them. I was furious. They had them in not only separate bassinets, but separate rooms in the NICU, even though all research says that twins do better when put together. They didn't have double bassinets they said, so the boys had to sleep separately. It sucked. Bf was sooooo hard at the beginning. I ended up with cracked bleeding breasts and then thrush too. I attribute it all to bad experience in the hospital and totally unnecessary separation.

I cried every day for weeks after coming home. I don't cry all the time anymore, but still do occasionally. I will never forget the shabby treatment, the coercion, the crap. Even though I wouldn't do it, it makes the story of the lady who did her VBAC at home with no attendant sound appealing in a strange sort of way. My next birth is going to bankrupt us because I'm doing a birth center birth, but Army won't pay. More stupid given that it's proven safer and cheaper. Having a few tears now just writing this.
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Lieselotte
12-03-2007, 06:36 AM
I am so sorry you had to undergo that treatment. You tried your best to fight the system,but it is so hard when you are in the moment.

Lilo

moonbeam
12-06-2007, 12:11 PM
You are very brave. I also had an uneccessary c-section. But you have to be glad that your babies are healthy. I don't know if we will ever be able to change the medical opinion on sections. I wish every one had the option of birthing centers. I will do it differently next time for sure. What I hated most was not being able to see my baby that nite. It really made bf the next day very hard. He was like who are you?
thanks for posting your story.
m

oomaumau04
12-07-2007, 07:17 PM
This is complete crap. I cannot believe you went through all of this. :( No mom deserves it. I'm glad you got your 2 beautiful babies out of the whole mess though. My c-section sucked. I went into the hospital because dd hadn't moved all day OR all night. I was also starting to go into labor, but really just wanted to check on the baby. The nurse monitored me for an hour before calling my dr. She only called because my contractions were 3 min. apart and I was dilated to 3 cm....not because baby STILL wasn't moving. My dr. came, took one look at the monitor, and said we needed to get her out. I agreed with that decision, because I knew something was wrong. They proceeded to prep. me for c-section. Four different nurses and a million pokes later (while having contractions 2), I had my IV in and was on my way to the OR. They took my husband away so he could get the scrubs on or whatever....I was scared and wished he could come back. Finally he came back, I was numb, they have dh sit behind my head where I can't see him, and they take baby out. I saw nothing and didn't even know she was born. All I knew was that they were still working down there, so I assumed she was still in....then I heard her cry. Apparently she had been out for 5 minutes and hadn't been breathing, so ped had been working on her. She had the cord wrapped around her body 3 times and had aspirated meconium as well. Such a rough start. What really pissed me off is that I NEVER got even a glance at her. They took her (and my dh) away immediately to the nursery, and kept her there for FIVE HOURS doing antibiotics just in case she had an infection (turns out, she didn't). I was fine that they were keeping her healthy, but come on, you couldn't even show her to me???? When the nurse finally brought her to me, she says dd probably would have nursed right away after birth. She seemed ready. Fortunately she latched on fine and bf like a pro. The rest of the hospital stay was ok, though they kept taking her to the nursery without even asking me. Do they even realize that the babies aren't theirs??? The last night, I finally told them to leave her in my room, and it was so cold that by morning her temp. was down and she couldn't get it back up, so we wound up not leaving until 9 PM when she had finally warmed up. Bla. If I had it to do over again, I would probably be more adamant about what I wanted (time with my baby), but I was in that after-birth haze and just accepted everything they were doing.....at least now we can be at home, and I can hold her whenever I want. :) I love my dr., but the nurses bugged me.

LadyLiberty
12-08-2007, 07:02 PM
Oomaumau04, to be fair, nurses are typically following doctors orders, not necessarily doing what they would want to do. Sometimes I agree that nurses do what is most convenient for them, no matter the consequences, but they are not the only ones.

In your case, I am glad that you got a section and got your baby out right away. Honestly, I think I would have a lot less resentment over it, or possibly none at all, if mine had been necessary. Though, I can imagine it would still be hard to come to terms with the loss of the birth experience you had envisioned. While I am not anti-modern medicine, there is something about a section that is just so unnatural. I hope in earnest that the trend towards more sections reverses itself soon.

pastelsummer
12-09-2007, 04:18 PM
reading these make m e glad that my Hospital has a nursing mothers/in room policy.They actually do not take babies to the nursery unless they need to be observed for some reason. the only nursery they have is a NICU.

CaptHeather
12-14-2007, 07:53 AM
I was adamant that I wanted a vaginal birth. I don't like surgery, and was petrified of it. My OB was very supportive of the idea. But Johanna had other ideas. She truly did not tolerate labor at well. I was having compound contractions (caved in and begged for drugs too) and it all hurt badly. They actually stopped my labor at one point to try and get her to recover so I wouldn't need a C-section. But when my labor started again, her heartrate dropped to the 40s as soon as I was having contractions again. It was not a good scenario. My OB tried having me push to see if I could finish dilating, but even pushing with her assistance, her heart rate would plummet. I had been prepped for an emergency C-section earlier in the evening when they lost her heartbeat altogether, so they finished up and wheeled me into surgery.

Like a previous poster, I was so drugged up that I couldn't even tell she was out until I heard her cry. Everything was so hectic I didn't know if I had a baby girl or baby boy until I asked (everyone was more concerned with her and had forgotten I didn't know yet). Her APGAR scores were not so good and she went to the NICU for 4 hours. I passed out because I'd been awake for 40 hours at that point.

I'm getting a scheduled C-section this time with twins. I'm not very happy about it, but I've talked to my doctors extensively, and with a prior C-Section, they are not comfortable with the risks of uterine rupture with me wanting to go as late as possible. I am willing to give up my VBAC hope in exchange for them agreeing to postpone the C-section as much as possible.

Lieselotte
12-14-2007, 02:19 PM
Capt Heather,

I hope you can feel better about the twins c-section since your doctor seems to be working well with you to get the birth you want as well as need. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery when all is done.

Lilo

southinmom
12-18-2007, 07:23 PM
I had my baby girl by c-section on October 15th and she is lovely and breastfeeding like a champ. I still get teary though when I think about the c-section. I had done everything right during the pregnancy and trusted my body completely when it came to labor and delivery. I wasn't nervous, just excited, when my water broke at 1:30 am and I was having frequent but light contractions at 40 1/2 weeks. We went to the hospital after eating some breakfast, but by noon my contractions hadn't gotten any stronger even with lots of walking the halls so they started the pitocin. By 6 I having really really painful contractions and ready for some relief. The nurse didn't check me before sending in the anesthesiologist for the epidural. I hadn't wanted one but everything was taking so long I was getting scared. I wish she had checked me because I was probably already in transition by that time. The doctor came in very soon after the epidural and I was 10 cent and completely effaced. The epidural was low enough I could still feel the urge to push so I started pushing. I pushed for three hours but she wasn't coming down. They couldn't see her but just a little bit. So when doc said he thought it was time to go for csection I said OK. I cried and cried as they prepped me. But the anesthesiologist was really great and my husband was with me the whole time and got to tell me the sex since we didn't know. I got to bf her about 30 minutes after delivery. I didn't get to see her sticky and wet and I didn't get to hold her that way. The doc said she was crooked and her head was sort of pointy but only on one side so I'm sure she was but I can't help be wonder if the nurse had been more supportive of not doing the epidural or had at least checked me if I would have been able to move and labor from different angles to get her to descend on her own. Had I stayed home longer after my water broke would things have gone better. Had I had a doula would things have gone better. At least I got the experience of pushing. But I've had to really struggle with the idea that my body failed me. It failed to do something natural and normal. But I do have a beautiful healthy baby girl who loves bf. If I had to pick bf or natural birth. I'd pick bf hands down.

Lieselotte
12-19-2007, 06:24 AM
I am sorry you had such a rough time southinmom. I am glad the bf is going well.

Lilo

southinmom
12-19-2007, 08:27 AM
Thank you, writing it out helps some. I'm getting over it but I think I will always be disappointed I couldn't do it naturally.

momoffaith
12-29-2007, 09:16 PM
I had a great experience with my c-section but it bums me out. I had prepared and dreamed about natural delivery. DH and I did our research and were as mentally prepared as I was physically. He was very supportive and I enjoyed every minute of my pregnancy, even after I missed my due date. My babe had been breach and I talked to the doc about turning her, he agreed at 38 weeks but (thank goodness) she turned on her own. DD was measuring big and I wasn't beginning to efface or dialate at 40 weeks (I thought no big deal she was my first) Doc recommended c-section and I declined. After 40 weeks he measured DD and she was thriving (we had weekly NST). At my last appointment he through in the "if you were my wife I would do a c-section this afternoon" I love and trust my doc and we did it. I had a leep a couple of years before and they had to go deep to get a clear circumferance so I have a lot of scar tissue (they say).

Now there were certain things I wanted and we did it my way. I wanted DH and sis in the OR (totally against policy) I wouldn't budge until both were suited up - I knew it would be up to my doc, the head nurse and anesthesiolist. Both were able to attend and DH videoed, held my hand and my sis got awesome pictures. After delivery I held DD in my arms as they wheeled me to my room, she never left my side and was BF within the hour. I refused pain medicine and through the entire ordeal took 2 tylenol. I was able to get out of bed that evening and it was magical. But it was still a c-section something I didn't want, the good news is it got me 2 extra weeks of maternity leave. If I had it to do all over again I would have waited, I will always wander "what if?"
I can't wait to see my doc's face when I say VBAC.

LadyLiberty
01-03-2008, 03:00 PM
reading these make m e glad that my Hospital has a nursing mothers/in room policy.They actually do not take babies to the nursery unless they need to be observed for some reason. the only nursery they have is a NICU.

That was true of the hospital I delivered my twins in as well. My understanding is that they take a LOT of babies to the NICU though for "observation" like they did with the twins even when there is no indicator of problems with the babies.

Also, I don't remember if it is in my story, but the recovery area is on another floor and taking baby/babies with you to nurse would break security, so it is not allowed regardless of the health of the baby/babies. So, all sectioned moms are separated. Typically, they plan to keep you separate through recovery and until a complete assessment by the nurse on mother before they will bring baby/babies to her.

But I've had to really struggle with the idea that my body failed me. It failed to do something natural and normal. But I do have a beautiful healthy baby girl who loves bf. If I had to pick bf or natural birth. I'd pick bf hands down.

Your body did not fail you. The stereotypical hospital pattern of handling laboring moms failed you. In my ideal of hospital birth, the nurse would have checked you and told you that you were in transition, explaining what that meant if necessary and how an epidural at that point might affect your ability to push your baby out.

mfirst
01-26-2008, 10:43 AM
I read about your planned C-section. I had an emergency c with my first after 18 hours of hard labor. He had the cord around his neck three times. During my second pregnancy, I discussed VBAC extensively with my doctor. In the end, I caved to hospital pressure - the policy for VBAC was a DR had to be present from my entry in the LDR to the delivery. Constant pressence which would have meant allowing a resident to deliver. I schedulled a repeat C b/c of my first expereince. In the end, I went into labor twice, spontaneously. The doctors stalled it (I was 34 weeks, then 35 weeks along - too early to deliver). At 36 weeks, I went into labor - hard labor. I was 7 cm and -2 station when I arrived. They prepped me for surgery. It was a good thing - my uterus had ruptured along the previous scar. Had I tried VBAC, I would not have had a great outcome.

mami2moisesito
07-19-2008, 07:08 PM
wow. im so sry. im in the army too and i got very bad treatment through my whole L&D process. were u at ft hood by chance when this happened??